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> We also disallow content alleging widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election. How can any honest person accept

by bbg24 6y ago

> We also disallow content alleging widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of a historical U.S. Presidential election. How can any honest person accept this state of affairs? What would be the reaction of the gleefully censorious US big tech employees, many here on HN, if non-US social media giant enacted such measures in their locality? I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican candidate, but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on. It would absolutely be consdiered as such were this happening elsewhere.

MGGJFU 6y ago
> but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on On the contrary. This is an indicator of the Republican claims being based on no evidence. The fact that these lies happen to be incredibly damaging to the perception of US democracy is a good enough reason for a private company to decide not to host it. It's not part of an even larger coverup, as you seem to believe. Do you know how many people would need to be involved on a coverup of this scale? How is that even remotely close to being the right explanation.
- bbg24 6y ago
  To be clear, I did not say this is part of a larger coverup, as you seem to believe. I stated, quite clearly, I see no evidence that anything particularly strange has happened. I suggested that a major tech firm banning content which challenges election results, not only this most recent election, would be considered a red flag if it were to happen anywhere else.
- Proziam 6y ago
  The majority of big tech people live in D+∞ areas. Given that, and the likely bias that comes as a result, it isn't unreasonable to not want their influence on what political opinions are or are not able to be said aloud.
- sneak 6y ago
  > The fact that these lies happen to be incredibly damaging to the perception of US democracy is a good enough reason for a private company to decide not to host it. This is the narrative, yes. Where is the evidence that Trump and his followers screaming about election fraud has damaged the perception of US democracy? So far, it appears that the system did the thing it was supposed to do: Trump is being removed from his office. If people telling lies about a system is sufficient to destroy that system, then perhaps the system needs to die and be replaced with something less refutable. Is democracy really so fragile? A free society increasingly appears to be, as censorship ramps up.
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cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican candidate, but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on. The US tech giants have done all they can to back the Democrat party in the last 4 years and now they're seeing through their final act. You can't make all your moves at once, that would play the hand, but little by little chip away at it and slowly boil the frog. Whether it's evidence of something being amiss, or a red flag that there's substance to the conspiracies, matters not to me. This whole ordeal has proven that the US* and its tech masters are no better than their Chinese counterparts when it comes to propaganda and censorship. Whether they go the next step further and try to "re-educate" their opponents, as some have pondered on social media, is something we'll soon see play out in the new year. Conspiracy or not, stolen election or not, the thirst and exercise of information (and disinformation) control is very, very real. *I have no doubt that the effectiveness of this tech weaponry will be studied and emulated throughout the Western world in the coming years.

by bbg24 6y ago

MGGJFU 6y ago

> but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on On the contrary. This is an indicator of the Republican claims being based on no evidence. The fact that these lies happen to be incredibly damaging to the perception of US democracy is a good enough reason for a private company to decide not to host it. It's not part of an even larger coverup, as you seem to believe. Do you know how many people would need to be involved on a coverup of this scale? How is that even remotely close to being the right explanation.

bbg24 6y ago
To be clear, I did not say this is part of a larger coverup, as you seem to believe. I stated, quite clearly, I see no evidence that anything particularly strange has happened. I suggested that a major tech firm banning content which challenges election results, not only this most recent election, would be considered a red flag if it were to happen anywhere else.
Proziam 6y ago
The majority of big tech people live in D+∞ areas. Given that, and the likely bias that comes as a result, it isn't unreasonable to not want their influence on what political opinions are or are not able to be said aloud.
sneak 6y ago
> The fact that these lies happen to be incredibly damaging to the perception of US democracy is a good enough reason for a private company to decide not to host it. This is the narrative, yes. Where is the evidence that Trump and his followers screaming about election fraud has damaged the perception of US democracy? So far, it appears that the system did the thing it was supposed to do: Trump is being removed from his office. If people telling lies about a system is sufficient to destroy that system, then perhaps the system needs to die and be replaced with something less refutable. Is democracy really so fragile? A free society increasingly appears to be, as censorship ramps up.

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cmdshiftf4 6y ago

>I don't see evidence that the 2020 election stolen from the Republican candidate, but this is a huge red flag that something might be going on. The US tech giants have done all they can to back the Democrat party in the last 4 years and now they're seeing through their final act. You can't make all your moves at once, that would play the hand, but little by little chip away at it and slowly boil the frog. Whether it's evidence of something being amiss, or a red flag that there's substance to the conspiracies, matters not to me. This whole ordeal has proven that the US* and its tech masters are no better than their Chinese counterparts when it comes to propaganda and censorship. Whether they go the next step further and try to "re-educate" their opponents, as some have pondered on social media, is something we'll soon see play out in the new year. Conspiracy or not, stolen election or not, the thirst and exercise of information (and disinformation) control is very, very real. *I have no doubt that the effectiveness of this tech weaponry will be studied and emulated throughout the Western world in the coming years.