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Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on

Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on the election results is way more concerning and shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case.

ghthor 6y ago
If you dont have doubts about this election, you've been thoroughly brainwashed.
- donkeyd 6y ago
  Oh, I definitely have doubts. I have doubts about the legality of voter suppression tactics like defunding the USPS, doubts about gerrymandering, doubts about influence by foreign actors and much more. They're just not the baseless stuff that Youtube is now removing.
- Jeema101 6y ago
  You don't have any secret evidence that other people haven't already seen and already debunked. Ask yourself this: is there anything that could convince you that the election was on the up-and-up?
  - ghthor 6y ago
    Re-election. All paper ballots, in person and hand counting with observers.
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      Why wasn't this your requirement in 2016?
      - donkeyd 6y ago
        I'm going to go out on a limb and say their candidate didn't lose that year. Even though margins were razor thin that year too, they didn't care.
notassigned 6y ago
A move like this by youtube is the only thing that has given me doubt so far
chillwaves 6y ago
Yes, the only real question is can other sites follow Youtubes lead? Really getting sick of these conspiracy theorists infected our mental spaces.
crocodiletears 6y ago
Yes, to think that somebody might have doubts that the most ideologically contentious election in modern history, wherein both sides perceived the opposition to be an existential threat to their lives or lifestyles might have on any scale been marred by political actors attempting to fix the results in their favor is a sign that people are too irrational to be exposed to the idea going forward…
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  ...yes. yes, it's absurd that after the last few weeks, the GOP candidate refuses to concede and is still continually playing with fire by pushing the notion that the result was fraudulent.
  - filoleg 6y ago
    While the GOP candidate is straight up a stubborn babbling moron, the media doesn't help the situation at all. The GOP candidate refuses to concede in face of the recount results not supporting his case. But the media is adding flame to this by giving people half-truths and not being honest in their position either. Is it the case that Trump still lost, even after the recounts? Yep, it is the case. Is it true that there were no missing votes? Media claims so, but the GA recount seems to prove them wrong. The media publications don't want to retract their earlier statements about there being no missing votes, despite the fact that recounts proved them wrong. Just because there weren't enough of missing votes to change the outcome doesn't mean that they didn't exist. P.S. Biden won, recounts affirmed that he won legitimately, I am happy. The process of the recount seems to have worked as it was supposed to. But the loud media statements about "no missing votes" aren't helping their case, and it doesn't seem truthful to say there were "no missing votes" just because there weren't enough of them to change the election outcome.
    - colordrops 6y ago
      Despite the down votes, your point is salient, and a great one. It's similar to how medical officials and the media lied about masks are ineffective because they wanted to save them for medical professionals. Or how they claimed that vaccines are 100% safe, when there are in fact rare but existent severe side effects. They think the people are too stupid to understand, so they lie to them "for their own good", which ends up backfiring and causing people to believe the opposite, because people have good bullshit detectors even when they aren't very well educated.
3131s 6y ago
Your comment is far more alarming than anything these Trumpists have come up with.
disown 6y ago
> shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case. All youtube did was fan the flames of political division. Imagine after 2016, youtube decided to ban everyone accusing Trump of cheating. Do you think that would make the democrats "see the light"? Or do you think it would galvanize the democrats? This election is ultimately going to be decided in the supreme court. Not on youtube. Youtube should have just kept out of this issue. Trump is celebrating this right now because not only does it rile up his base, it makes independents and even some democrats take notice and sympathize with Trump. Even if youtube had good intentions ( and I'm not sold on that ), they ultimately are damaging the country. But I guess that's why they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- donkeyd 6y ago
  Trump did cheat, in a way. Foreign actors clearly influenced those elections and Trump won with a minority in the popular vote. Democrats accepted that outcome and conceded the election. Many democrats gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. Barack invited him to the white house and allowed him to start the transition. All this even though many people already hated the idea of a Trump presidency. I don't have to imagine the democrats did anything like the republicans are doing now, because it didn't happen. Edit: here's a link to show you how small the margins were in swing states in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/swing-state-margins/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...
llimos 6y ago
I don't think the vote was rigged. But rationally I have no way to be 100% certain, because, as a thought experiment, if it really was rigged, what would look different to how it does look? The fact that "everyone knew" and was expecting the losing side to cry foul means that when they do, everyone says "you see? Told you so." But if it really was, how would we know? What would look different? The fact that those who are meant to look out for such things (primarily, the media) are not trusted by one side to do so impartially means that if there really was foul play, their reporting would not necessarily be different. So again, how would you know? To reiterate, I am not saying I think it was rigged. I'm not American, nor have I ever lived there. I'm just saying that _if it was_, things would look pretty much as they do now. _If t wasn't_, things would also look pretty much as they do now. So how can we know?
- humanrebar 6y ago
  Republicans outperformed expectations in Congressional results. This is unusual given congressional results and presidential results have historically correlated. I don't understand the explanation for that if Democrats rigged the election somehow. It seems more plausible that: - there was a really high turnout aided by widespread absentee voting - a large single-digit percentage of voters went Republican in the congressional races but didn't vote for Trump I can't think of a fraud based scenario with any factual support that is as compelling.
  - AnHonestComment 6y ago
    Uh, it has a pretty obvious answer right? > Republicans have high Congressional results because the true result is a high Republican surge. > Democrats see this counting. > Democrats “pause” counting election night and add Democrat votes in just presidential race. > Ballots in suitcase; “broken” water pipe to exclude Republican observers; weird Biden surge after pause in counting in PA; counting machines not reset between batches per testimony; etc. > Election results have abnormal statistics, eg discontinuities and breaks in normal correlations. Strictly speaking, the theory fraud happened explains more — both the break in correlation and other strange events.
thomaskcr 6y ago
I think a lot of people just know once done, this is not the last time a tech company will get letters from senators asking for content to be removed. This time, I happen to agree that the claim the election was stolen is actively harmful but I also remember when Covid was officially not spread human to human and if Covid misinformation had been a banned thing earlier in the pandemic we would have been probably removing content from actual doctors that ended up being right. Remember when "masks wouldn't help"? I think youtube is doing a "good thing" in terms of getting us past this silliness faster, but I don't think it'll necessarily be a "good thing" next time so I'd rather it happen never.

ghthor 6y ago

If you dont have doubts about this election, you've been thoroughly brainwashed.

donkeyd 6y ago
Oh, I definitely have doubts. I have doubts about the legality of voter suppression tactics like defunding the USPS, doubts about gerrymandering, doubts about influence by foreign actors and much more. They're just not the baseless stuff that Youtube is now removing.
Jeema101 6y ago
You don't have any secret evidence that other people haven't already seen and already debunked. Ask yourself this: is there anything that could convince you that the election was on the up-and-up?
- ghthor 6y ago
  Re-election. All paper ballots, in person and hand counting with observers.
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    Why wasn't this your requirement in 2016?
    - donkeyd 6y ago
      I'm going to go out on a limb and say their candidate didn't lose that year. Even though margins were razor thin that year too, they didn't care.

notassigned 6y ago

A move like this by youtube is the only thing that has given me doubt so far

chillwaves 6y ago

Yes, the only real question is can other sites follow Youtubes lead? Really getting sick of these conspiracy theorists infected our mental spaces.

crocodiletears 6y ago

Yes, to think that somebody might have doubts that the most ideologically contentious election in modern history, wherein both sides perceived the opposition to be an existential threat to their lives or lifestyles might have on any scale been marred by political actors attempting to fix the results in their favor is a sign that people are too irrational to be exposed to the idea going forward…

knowaveragejoe 6y ago
...yes. yes, it's absurd that after the last few weeks, the GOP candidate refuses to concede and is still continually playing with fire by pushing the notion that the result was fraudulent.
- filoleg 6y ago
  While the GOP candidate is straight up a stubborn babbling moron, the media doesn't help the situation at all. The GOP candidate refuses to concede in face of the recount results not supporting his case. But the media is adding flame to this by giving people half-truths and not being honest in their position either. Is it the case that Trump still lost, even after the recounts? Yep, it is the case. Is it true that there were no missing votes? Media claims so, but the GA recount seems to prove them wrong. The media publications don't want to retract their earlier statements about there being no missing votes, despite the fact that recounts proved them wrong. Just because there weren't enough of missing votes to change the outcome doesn't mean that they didn't exist. P.S. Biden won, recounts affirmed that he won legitimately, I am happy. The process of the recount seems to have worked as it was supposed to. But the loud media statements about "no missing votes" aren't helping their case, and it doesn't seem truthful to say there were "no missing votes" just because there weren't enough of them to change the election outcome.
  - colordrops 6y ago
    Despite the down votes, your point is salient, and a great one. It's similar to how medical officials and the media lied about masks are ineffective because they wanted to save them for medical professionals. Or how they claimed that vaccines are 100% safe, when there are in fact rare but existent severe side effects. They think the people are too stupid to understand, so they lie to them "for their own good", which ends up backfiring and causing people to believe the opposite, because people have good bullshit detectors even when they aren't very well educated.

3131s 6y ago

Your comment is far more alarming than anything these Trumpists have come up with.

disown 6y ago

> shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case. All youtube did was fan the flames of political division. Imagine after 2016, youtube decided to ban everyone accusing Trump of cheating. Do you think that would make the democrats "see the light"? Or do you think it would galvanize the democrats? This election is ultimately going to be decided in the supreme court. Not on youtube. Youtube should have just kept out of this issue. Trump is celebrating this right now because not only does it rile up his base, it makes independents and even some democrats take notice and sympathize with Trump. Even if youtube had good intentions ( and I'm not sold on that ), they ultimately are damaging the country. But I guess that's why they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

donkeyd 6y ago
Trump did cheat, in a way. Foreign actors clearly influenced those elections and Trump won with a minority in the popular vote. Democrats accepted that outcome and conceded the election. Many democrats gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. Barack invited him to the white house and allowed him to start the transition. All this even though many people already hated the idea of a Trump presidency. I don't have to imagine the democrats did anything like the republicans are doing now, because it didn't happen. Edit: here's a link to show you how small the margins were in swing states in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/swing-state-margins/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...

llimos 6y ago

I don't think the vote was rigged. But rationally I have no way to be 100% certain, because, as a thought experiment, if it really was rigged, what would look different to how it does look? The fact that "everyone knew" and was expecting the losing side to cry foul means that when they do, everyone says "you see? Told you so." But if it really was, how would we know? What would look different? The fact that those who are meant to look out for such things (primarily, the media) are not trusted by one side to do so impartially means that if there really was foul play, their reporting would not necessarily be different. So again, how would you know? To reiterate, I am not saying I think it was rigged. I'm not American, nor have I ever lived there. I'm just saying that _if it was_, things would look pretty much as they do now. _If t wasn't_, things would also look pretty much as they do now. So how can we know?

humanrebar 6y ago
Republicans outperformed expectations in Congressional results. This is unusual given congressional results and presidential results have historically correlated. I don't understand the explanation for that if Democrats rigged the election somehow. It seems more plausible that: - there was a really high turnout aided by widespread absentee voting - a large single-digit percentage of voters went Republican in the congressional races but didn't vote for Trump I can't think of a fraud based scenario with any factual support that is as compelling.
- AnHonestComment 6y ago
  Uh, it has a pretty obvious answer right? > Republicans have high Congressional results because the true result is a high Republican surge. > Democrats see this counting. > Democrats “pause” counting election night and add Democrat votes in just presidential race. > Ballots in suitcase; “broken” water pipe to exclude Republican observers; weird Biden surge after pause in counting in PA; counting machines not reset between batches per testimony; etc. > Election results have abnormal statistics, eg discontinuities and breaks in normal correlations. Strictly speaking, the theory fraud happened explains more — both the break in correlation and other strange events.

thomaskcr 6y ago

I think a lot of people just know once done, this is not the last time a tech company will get letters from senators asking for content to be removed. This time, I happen to agree that the claim the election was stolen is actively harmful but I also remember when Covid was officially not spread human to human and if Covid misinformation had been a banned thing earlier in the pandemic we would have been probably removing content from actual doctors that ended up being right. Remember when "masks wouldn't help"? I think youtube is doing a "good thing" in terms of getting us past this silliness faster, but I don't think it'll necessarily be a "good thing" next time so I'd rather it happen never.