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Nice false equivalence. Judges have ruled that Trump's side has failed to show any evidence of fraud in Court, losing 50/51 court cases, with the "win" having n

by slacka 6y ago

Nice false equivalence. Judges have ruled that Trump's side has failed to show any evidence of fraud in Court, losing 50/51 court cases, with the "win" having nothing to do with fraud[1]. On the other hand, there are literally thousand of pages from the Senate Committee on Intelligence showing evidence of Russian Interference in 2016. [2] [3], along with the Mueller Report [4]. Russian Interference in 2016 is not comparable to Trump's false claims of fraud in 2020. [1] https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-losing-election-lawsuits-36d113484ac0946fa5f0614deb7de15e https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-losing-election-laws... [2] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... [3] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... [4] https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

muttantt 6y ago
The other side had hordes of FBI and DOJ professionals digging every nook and cranny for years in an attempt to find evidence. That did not stop anyone from screaming "Russia collusion" all over social media and the 24/7 news cycle.
- casefields 6y ago
  Agreed. This shit is going to radicalize people, and all these big tech companies better be ready. There will be a backlash.
hashmymustache 6y ago
Funny how the comment you’re responding to said Russian collusion but you instead bring up the separate topic of Russian interference.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  It doesn't change the fact that the courts have decided that there was no fraud over dozens and dozens of lawsuits. The proponent of the Russia collusion wanted it investigated, and there was very little talk about it after (the honestly poorly handled) Mueller report. And while there was no clear evidence of Trump himself colluding, many were indicted and even admitted guilt. How many people have gone to jail for fraud in the 2020 election? Is there the equivalent to the Jr. email and the Trump Tower meeting when it comes to election fraud? Has there been a single real evidence of fraud shown in courts (not on News or social media where there are no consequences for lying)?
  - JamisonM 6y ago
    Really it is worse than that, the media narrative pushed by the litigants is about "fraud" but most of the losing lawsuits don't even allege fraud!
  - colordrops 6y ago
    Wait who admitted guilt of russian collusion? No Russian collusion was ever proven.
its_simple 6y ago
Did you actually read the Mueller Report? The only claims that I've heard about this nonsense story are that some people were guilty of lying to the government (which shouldn't even be a crime lmfao. they're allowed to lie to us), and avoiding taxes by putting money overseas and getting the money back via loans, which all of these oligarchs do, and is definitely not treason lol.
- pdabbadabba 6y ago
  I read it. And what I found was nearly 200 pages describe various forms of collusion between Trump campaign officials and various Russian actors. True, there was no "treason." But that's moving the goalpost. If we stick with "Russian collusion," the Muller report confirms that it was, in fact, rampant--albeit not chargeably criminal. ("Collusion" is not a crime.)
  - its_simple 6y ago
    "Not charegably criminal." So then what are we even talking about?
    - habeebtc 6y ago
      In fact "not chargeably criminal" as it is written in the report reads more like, "Reasonable Doubt exists, based on what we were able to find. We are out of time and resources, so if it is there, we may not find it." Paraphrasing of course. What was "chargeably criminal" was the obstruction of justice. I read it. It's in there, and it is damning on both counts, the second count enough to indict anyone but a president.
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shanty 6y ago
Exactly true. However the Russian investigation spanned years. These things take a lot of time to work through the investigative process. Take a look here, https://hereistheevidence.com https://hereistheevidence.com, which provides significant questionable items that still need to be investigated.

by slacka 6y ago

muttantt 6y ago

The other side had hordes of FBI and DOJ professionals digging every nook and cranny for years in an attempt to find evidence. That did not stop anyone from screaming "Russia collusion" all over social media and the 24/7 news cycle.

casefields 6y ago
Agreed. This shit is going to radicalize people, and all these big tech companies better be ready. There will be a backlash.

hashmymustache 6y ago

Funny how the comment you’re responding to said Russian collusion but you instead bring up the separate topic of Russian interference.

ehsankia 6y ago
It doesn't change the fact that the courts have decided that there was no fraud over dozens and dozens of lawsuits. The proponent of the Russia collusion wanted it investigated, and there was very little talk about it after (the honestly poorly handled) Mueller report. And while there was no clear evidence of Trump himself colluding, many were indicted and even admitted guilt. How many people have gone to jail for fraud in the 2020 election? Is there the equivalent to the Jr. email and the Trump Tower meeting when it comes to election fraud? Has there been a single real evidence of fraud shown in courts (not on News or social media where there are no consequences for lying)?
- JamisonM 6y ago
  Really it is worse than that, the media narrative pushed by the litigants is about "fraud" but most of the losing lawsuits don't even allege fraud!
- colordrops 6y ago
  Wait who admitted guilt of russian collusion? No Russian collusion was ever proven.

its_simple 6y ago

Did you actually read the Mueller Report? The only claims that I've heard about this nonsense story are that some people were guilty of lying to the government (which shouldn't even be a crime lmfao. they're allowed to lie to us), and avoiding taxes by putting money overseas and getting the money back via loans, which all of these oligarchs do, and is definitely not treason lol.

pdabbadabba 6y ago
I read it. And what I found was nearly 200 pages describe various forms of collusion between Trump campaign officials and various Russian actors. True, there was no "treason." But that's moving the goalpost. If we stick with "Russian collusion," the Muller report confirms that it was, in fact, rampant--albeit not chargeably criminal. ("Collusion" is not a crime.)
- its_simple 6y ago
  "Not charegably criminal." So then what are we even talking about?
  - habeebtc 6y ago
    In fact "not chargeably criminal" as it is written in the report reads more like, "Reasonable Doubt exists, based on what we were able to find. We are out of time and resources, so if it is there, we may not find it." Paraphrasing of course. What was "chargeably criminal" was the obstruction of justice. I read it. It's in there, and it is damning on both counts, the second count enough to indict anyone but a president.
    - deleted 6y ago
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shanty 6y ago

Exactly true. However the Russian investigation spanned years. These things take a lot of time to work through the investigative process. Take a look here, https://hereistheevidence.com https://hereistheevidence.com, which provides significant questionable items that still need to be investigated.