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> Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it When has that ever not been the case? Fortunately there are natural barr

> Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it When has that ever not been the case? Fortunately there are natural barriers preventing most people with wild ideas from gaining enough support to be a detriment to society. Should I really care if someone else chooses to believe x, y, or z in the face of contradictory evidence? If they try and do something public with a wrong idea, their failure will be the teacher, not me.

pjc50 6y ago
We've got to this place because the people with wrong ideas were succeding.
- curiousgeorgio 6y ago
  > We've got to this place because the people with wrong ideas were succeding. Hate to break it to you, but if those ideas are succeeding, maybe they weren't wrong after all...
  - kube-system 6y ago
    History is full of people with very clearly wrong ideas who were succeeding at the time. Something something, Godwin's law.
    - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
      History is more full of examples where censorship has lead to tyranny and the downfall of civilizations.
      - kube-system 6y ago
        Government censorship, yes. Fortunately, that is not happening here.
  - kibwen 6y ago
    The marketplace of ideas can remain irrational longer than free society can remain solvent.
  - epakai 6y ago
    Godwin's law, but Hitler succeeded for a very long time in the decade before WW2. This isn't a useful metric for determining whether ideas are right or wrong.
- disgrunt 6y ago
  And if the wrong idea is censorship itself?
- Helloworldboy 6y ago
  Is this unironic support of “wrongthink”? Why do you need Bug Brother telling you what you’re allowed to watch?
slg 6y ago
> Fortunately there are natural barriers preventing most people with wild ideas from gaining enough support to be a detriment to society. The internet has all but nullified these barriers. Just look at all the QAnon garbage. That would have gone nowhere 30 years ago, but today a sizable portion of this country believes it because there is no real difference in authority between one Facebook post, Youtube video, or Tweet and another. >Should I really care if someone else chooses to believe x, y, or z? You shouldn't, unless that view is harmful to society. I don't care if you think the COVID vaccine has a microchip in it. But if you delay our return to a normally functioning society because you refuse to get that vaccine, your stupidity is starting to infringe on my rights.
- curiousgeorgio 6y ago
  Does it really matter if some people believe in QAnon? If enough people decide that the COVID vaccine is important enough for everyone to receive (regardless of their personal beliefs), then that will be codified into law. No need for censorship to try and manipulate public perception.
  - slg 6y ago
    >Does it really matter if some people believe in QAnon? When it starts to get dangerous, yes. People are inspired toward violence when they believe that other people are killing children to drink their blood. For those unaware, that is at the heart of QAnon beliefs. >If enough people decide that the COVID vaccine is important enough for everyone to receive (regardless of their personal beliefs), then that will be codified into law. No need for censorship to try and manipulate public perception. Do you realize this is an exact analogy to what Youtube is doing here? They tried to let the people decide. We ended up with a result that was bad for society. So they instead tried to codify the "right" choice into the laws of their platform.
    - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
      > When it starts to get dangerous, yes. People are inspired toward violence when they believe... I see this argument a lot, but it fails to address the clear distinction between beliefs and actions. If people are actually violent, we have clear laws to deal with those actions. If the argument is that certain beliefs shouldn't be allowed because they could be construed as "inspiring violence", then I'd love to hear about how tolerant you are towards Islam's idea of jihad or countless others who believe violence is justified in circumstances that you disagree with.
lallysingh 6y ago
Until their actions affect you. Like shooting up a pizza place, or voting in a region that also contains you.
sacred_numbers 6y ago
All of recorded human history is evidence that this is false. Consider the Holocaust, the Salem Witch Trials, Lysenkoism, The Great Leap Forward, Aztec human sacrifices, and so many others. Even if you just consider the relatively modern United States just look at Prohibition, the War on Drugs, Jim Crow Laws, and so many others. I am against censorship, but not because I believe that bad ideas can't take hold and cause enormous damage. I just believe that the benefits of living in a society with free speech outweigh the costs.

pjc50 6y ago

We've got to this place because the people with wrong ideas were succeding.

curiousgeorgio 6y ago
> We've got to this place because the people with wrong ideas were succeding. Hate to break it to you, but if those ideas are succeeding, maybe they weren't wrong after all...
- kube-system 6y ago
  History is full of people with very clearly wrong ideas who were succeeding at the time. Something something, Godwin's law.
  - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
    History is more full of examples where censorship has lead to tyranny and the downfall of civilizations.
    - kube-system 6y ago
      Government censorship, yes. Fortunately, that is not happening here.
- kibwen 6y ago
  The marketplace of ideas can remain irrational longer than free society can remain solvent.
- epakai 6y ago
  Godwin's law, but Hitler succeeded for a very long time in the decade before WW2. This isn't a useful metric for determining whether ideas are right or wrong.
disgrunt 6y ago
And if the wrong idea is censorship itself?
Helloworldboy 6y ago
Is this unironic support of “wrongthink”? Why do you need Bug Brother telling you what you’re allowed to watch?

slg 6y ago

> Fortunately there are natural barriers preventing most people with wild ideas from gaining enough support to be a detriment to society. The internet has all but nullified these barriers. Just look at all the QAnon garbage. That would have gone nowhere 30 years ago, but today a sizable portion of this country believes it because there is no real difference in authority between one Facebook post, Youtube video, or Tweet and another. >Should I really care if someone else chooses to believe x, y, or z? You shouldn't, unless that view is harmful to society. I don't care if you think the COVID vaccine has a microchip in it. But if you delay our return to a normally functioning society because you refuse to get that vaccine, your stupidity is starting to infringe on my rights.

curiousgeorgio 6y ago
Does it really matter if some people believe in QAnon? If enough people decide that the COVID vaccine is important enough for everyone to receive (regardless of their personal beliefs), then that will be codified into law. No need for censorship to try and manipulate public perception.
- slg 6y ago
  >Does it really matter if some people believe in QAnon? When it starts to get dangerous, yes. People are inspired toward violence when they believe that other people are killing children to drink their blood. For those unaware, that is at the heart of QAnon beliefs. >If enough people decide that the COVID vaccine is important enough for everyone to receive (regardless of their personal beliefs), then that will be codified into law. No need for censorship to try and manipulate public perception. Do you realize this is an exact analogy to what Youtube is doing here? They tried to let the people decide. We ended up with a result that was bad for society. So they instead tried to codify the "right" choice into the laws of their platform.
  - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
    > When it starts to get dangerous, yes. People are inspired toward violence when they believe... I see this argument a lot, but it fails to address the clear distinction between beliefs and actions. If people are actually violent, we have clear laws to deal with those actions. If the argument is that certain beliefs shouldn't be allowed because they could be construed as "inspiring violence", then I'd love to hear about how tolerant you are towards Islam's idea of jihad or countless others who believe violence is justified in circumstances that you disagree with.

lallysingh 6y ago

Until their actions affect you. Like shooting up a pizza place, or voting in a region that also contains you.

sacred_numbers 6y ago

All of recorded human history is evidence that this is false. Consider the Holocaust, the Salem Witch Trials, Lysenkoism, The Great Leap Forward, Aztec human sacrifices, and so many others. Even if you just consider the relatively modern United States just look at Prohibition, the War on Drugs, Jim Crow Laws, and so many others. I am against censorship, but not because I believe that bad ideas can't take hold and cause enormous damage. I just believe that the benefits of living in a society with free speech outweigh the costs.