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Far-right aka everybody who's not a democrat.

jacobolus 6y ago
The GOP put itself out of power in CA by pursuing a series of explicitly racist policies in a white-plurality state, and then later settling on total political obstruction as its backup plan (in the short term this was effective at preventing the state government from addressing a wide range of serious problems). My former GOP state rep in SoCal used to send out mailers proudly proclaiming that he had voted ‘no’ on 100% of legislation, with some race baiting mixed in as seasoning. Considering that a couple decades of this led to the Democrats winning all of the statewide offices and supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, perhaps it wasn’t the best long-term strategy. But the state remains a very conservative place overall, just like the rest of the USA. There’s a broad swath of the public who distrust the government, are opposed to taxes of any kind, and so on. Even in 2020, 34% of voters picked Trump, even though his rhetoric has included badmouthing CA as a cornerstone. And many CA Democrats are pretty conservative by the standards of most other developed countries, and would most naturally fit in a centrist or center-right party.
- selectodude 6y ago
  It's kind of funny how hard the CAGOP pushed for independent redistricting thinking that the Dems were gerrymandering them out of existence. After the independent redistricting happened they lost the few seats they had and now essentially cease to exist.
chillwaves 6y ago
The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.
- ghostwriter 6y ago
  Or, the Democratic party is a center-right party only if you are far-left
  - uoaei 6y ago
    No, only if your Overton window is as wide as the set of expressed political opinions through history.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  The Democratic Party is a centrist party whose dominant faction is center-right but which has a substantial center-left and smaller further-left factions. You can be right of the Democratic Party and be anywhere from merely slightly-less-center center-right to, well, anywhere to the right of that. But the US polítical spectrum is basically bimodal, and the peak to the right of the dominant faction of the Democratic Party is far-right.
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- Darmody 6y ago
  I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."
  - uoaei 6y ago
    So then you are obligated, in the context of this conversation, to define "far-left." I suspect you haven't elaborated on it because you recognize that your application of the term is easily disputed.
    - Darmody 6y ago
      Anti-capitalists, socialists, police defunders, censors (they can be also far right wingers), haters of every western thing, etc. You can easily identify them inside the democratic party, they have a lot of power now.
      - uoaei 6y ago
        Those aren't far-left. Especially the "haters of every western thing" lol. Far-left is the complete abolition of private property, abolition of police and prisons, in some cases the abolition of monies period. There are literally zero far-left people in elected or appointed positions within the US government today. Your worldview is much smaller than reality and the dog-whistles you lean on are obvious. Educate yourself before choosing to expound your limited views.
        Darmody 6y ago
        "Educate yourself before choosing to expound your limited views." Oh, come on. You can't really be that condescending and expect people to take you seriously. Anyway, according to your broad worldview, communists are not far-left. Ok.
        6y ago
- J0_k3r 6y ago
  No they're not. You don't define the overton window, society does. I'm right of the democrats but I'm not far right, that's the society we live in.
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    This isn't up for debate. In economic terms, socialism is what the left looks like. Do you see anything that looks like "socialism" coming from the democratic party in the united states?
    - J0_k3r 6y ago
      yes? you see people like yang advocating for things like UBI, and others like ocasio-cortez wanting similar programs along with other big spending programs like getting rid of student debt and free college.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        OK? Yang is hardly a democrat and he is not in any position of power. Nothing you are saying is actually backing up what you are claiming. Quite the contrary, these are examples of democrats who have been pushed away from power because of their ideas. How many delegates did Yang get again? Ocasio-Cortez is one congress woman who has been in office for less than two years. She is not in a position of power within the democratic party, in fact they actively oppose her. So what is your point? AOC does not reflect where the democrats are as a party, and it's dishonest to pretend so. And student loan relief is not socialism. Free college could arguably be, but what is being discussed is far from free college.
        J0_k3r 6y ago
        Yang is part of the democratic party and therefore a democrat politician, there's no debate on this. The same can be said for ocasio-cortez.
        6y ago
jonathankoren 6y ago
You really need to read a political science report. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/31/the-republican-party-has-lurched-towards-populism-and-illiberalism https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/31/the-repu...
- uoaei 6y ago
  That article uses "populism" as a derogatory term. The GOP does not employ "populism" they employ scare tactics.

The GOP put itself out of power in CA by pursuing a series of explicitly racist policies in a white-plurality state, and then later settling on total political obstruction as its backup plan (in the short term this was effective at preventing the state government from addressing a wide range of serious problems). My former GOP state rep in SoCal used to send out mailers proudly proclaiming that he had voted ‘no’ on 100% of legislation, with some race baiting mixed in as seasoning. Considering that a couple decades of this led to the Democrats winning all of the statewide offices and supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, perhaps it wasn’t the best long-term strategy. But the state remains a very conservative place overall, just like the rest of the USA. There’s a broad swath of the public who distrust the government, are opposed to taxes of any kind, and so on. Even in 2020, 34% of voters picked Trump, even though his rhetoric has included badmouthing CA as a cornerstone. And many CA Democrats are pretty conservative by the standards of most other developed countries, and would most naturally fit in a centrist or center-right party.

selectodude 6y ago
It's kind of funny how hard the CAGOP pushed for independent redistricting thinking that the Dems were gerrymandering them out of existence. After the independent redistricting happened they lost the few seats they had and now essentially cease to exist.

chillwaves 6y ago

The Democratic party is a center-right party. If you are further to the right of them, you are far-right.

ghostwriter 6y ago
Or, the Democratic party is a center-right party only if you are far-left
- uoaei 6y ago
  No, only if your Overton window is as wide as the set of expressed political opinions through history.
dragonwriter 6y ago
The Democratic Party is a centrist party whose dominant faction is center-right but which has a substantial center-left and smaller further-left factions. You can be right of the Democratic Party and be anywhere from merely slightly-less-center center-right to, well, anywhere to the right of that. But the US polítical spectrum is basically bimodal, and the peak to the right of the dominant faction of the Democratic Party is far-right.
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Darmody 6y ago
I'm going to reply with a comment I made an hour ago. "The far-left managed to create an "amazing" (and terrifying) perspective. If you're a leftist but not as leftist as them, you're a centrist, maybe even center-right which makes everybody on the right to be automatically far-right."
- uoaei 6y ago
  So then you are obligated, in the context of this conversation, to define "far-left." I suspect you haven't elaborated on it because you recognize that your application of the term is easily disputed.
  - Darmody 6y ago
    Anti-capitalists, socialists, police defunders, censors (they can be also far right wingers), haters of every western thing, etc. You can easily identify them inside the democratic party, they have a lot of power now.
    - uoaei 6y ago
      Those aren't far-left. Especially the "haters of every western thing" lol. Far-left is the complete abolition of private property, abolition of police and prisons, in some cases the abolition of monies period. There are literally zero far-left people in elected or appointed positions within the US government today. Your worldview is much smaller than reality and the dog-whistles you lean on are obvious. Educate yourself before choosing to expound your limited views.
      - Darmody 6y ago
        "Educate yourself before choosing to expound your limited views." Oh, come on. You can't really be that condescending and expect people to take you seriously. Anyway, according to your broad worldview, communists are not far-left. Ok.
        6y ago
J0_k3r 6y ago
No they're not. You don't define the overton window, society does. I'm right of the democrats but I'm not far right, that's the society we live in.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  This isn't up for debate. In economic terms, socialism is what the left looks like. Do you see anything that looks like "socialism" coming from the democratic party in the united states?
  - J0_k3r 6y ago
    yes? you see people like yang advocating for things like UBI, and others like ocasio-cortez wanting similar programs along with other big spending programs like getting rid of student debt and free college.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      OK? Yang is hardly a democrat and he is not in any position of power. Nothing you are saying is actually backing up what you are claiming. Quite the contrary, these are examples of democrats who have been pushed away from power because of their ideas. How many delegates did Yang get again? Ocasio-Cortez is one congress woman who has been in office for less than two years. She is not in a position of power within the democratic party, in fact they actively oppose her. So what is your point? AOC does not reflect where the democrats are as a party, and it's dishonest to pretend so. And student loan relief is not socialism. Free college could arguably be, but what is being discussed is far from free college.
      - J0_k3r 6y ago
        Yang is part of the democratic party and therefore a democrat politician, there's no debate on this. The same can be said for ocasio-cortez.
        6y ago

jonathankoren 6y ago

You really need to read a political science report. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/31/the-republican-party-has-lurched-towards-populism-and-illiberalism https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/31/the-repu...

uoaei 6y ago
That article uses "populism" as a derogatory term. The GOP does not employ "populism" they employ scare tactics.