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I created Hystoria as an experiment to see if blocking out current events can lead to more thoughtful discourse. --- Hystoria is a simple, reddit-like site (b

I created Hystoria as an experiment to see if blocking out current events can lead to more thoughtful discourse. --- Hystoria is a simple, reddit-like site (built with a simplified version of Lemmy [0]) where only items older than 5 years can be posted. I've been obsessed with media dynamics for years now, always wondering what variables can be adjusted within the current environment to result in better media production and consumption. This is my approach for Hystoria. Time creates context: so even a vapid political article from years ago can present worthy insights since we know a lot more about the topic, context, and outcomes. Lindy effect: chances are that an older item worth discussing now is even more important now. And philosophically: we know exponentially more about the past than the present, and history rhymes, so we should talk more about the past. More details on my approach are in the launch post [1]. --- [0] https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy [1] https://100millionbooks.org/blog/news/introducing-hystoria/ https://100millionbooks.org/blog/news/introducing-hystoria/

hlindhe 6y ago
Blocking your own proxy? 404 Kod: Message, IP. 172.18.0.3, 180 per 60 seconds
- moksha256 6y ago
  Ugh it was just working, looking into it.
  - calibas 6y ago
    To add, I believe that's caused by rate limiting in Nginx.
    - moksha256 6y ago
      Thanks, looks like it was at 1 per second...I just boosted it a bit. EDIT: boosted again...gosh, HN front page is no joke :D EDIT 2: I ran into multiple rate limits, some of which were harder to discover/configure than others. Site should be back again. Sorry.
      - throwaway894345 6y ago
        Seems like the host is down altogether for me.
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        For me too.
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      - dom96 6y ago
        Why have rate limiting at all? Just disable it
        sangnoir 6y ago
        Maybe they don't have an unlimited budget for bandwidth charges? I'd strongly recommend they go behind a (free or cheap) caching CDN first before removing limits.
      - doublerabbit 6y ago
        Host pings, but port 80 is dead.
      - calibas 6y ago
        Also, the rate limiting is probably meant to be based upon the client's IP, not the proxy IP. Usually, the proxy adds the client IPs to the request headers and you can use those in Nginx rules.
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SirLotsaLocks 6y ago
Ay I thought this was based off of lemmy. It's cool to see it be used to create interesting sites like this.
- moksha256 6y ago
  I've deployed a number of web services and I have to say...Lemmy was incredibly streamlined and easy to deploy. Deployment is entirely automated with docker and an ansible script, and updating requires just 1 command. Really looking forward to them completing the ActivityPub integration.
  - anchpop 6y ago
    Does lemmy still do the thing where they censor certain words and don't include a way to configure the censorship to try and discourage certain groups from using it?
    - calibas 6y ago
      Looks like it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/server/lemmy_utils/src/lib.rs#L257 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/server/lemmy_u... That's the most offensive Regex I've ever seen.
      - hackerbee 6y ago
        TIL feminazi is used
    - emayljames 6y ago
      I would seriously question why you would want to attract anybody that used any of the regex statements words, but is as easy as changing it in the code.
      - anchpop 6y ago
        Really? You can't go 10 minutes in many LGBT spaces without hearing someone using the f-slur in an affectionate way. Also banned is "b!tch", which is not really considered that offensive in most of the US between female friends, as well as "pu!sy", which is maybe vulgar but not an offensive term at all (I notice "dick" didn't make cut). Maybe for a site like Hacker News those terms aren't usually appropriate, but I see Lemmy \more as a replacement for Reddit and I'd hoped it would be inclusive to everyone, not just to those in their bubble. I don't know how their system works, if using these words just means the comment won't be shared or if it flags it for a moderator's attention, but I don't think so. Here's a direct quote from a developer: > I'll have to think about this. Hard-coding it means I don't have to do a database migration every time someone comes up with a new slur. And putting it in a DB table means someone could very easily remove it by deleting every row of that table, which isn't good. I want to make it very difficult for racist trolls to use the most updated version of Lemmy. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 In my view this goes against the core point of the fediverse. The whole reason I like the fediverse is because it democratizes control by giving it to the users instead of a small-group of potentially self-interested owners. (After googling I found out "n!ps" can be used as a racial slur but I associate it with a funny slang for "nipples". I wondered how the AI conference dealt with this but apparently they changed their name a couple years back to avoid connotations with the slur so maybe it's more widespread/well known than I thought.) (edit: censored slurs. asterisk didn't work because it triggered the markdown so I used !)
headmelted 6y ago
You should fire this behind CloudFlare or a general cache provider immediately. Get the settings for Nginx figured out later, you don’t want to miss your moment on the front page..
- moksha256 6y ago
  Yeah I was scrambling for a few minutes there but finally uncovered some not-so-well-documented rate limits set by default in the Lemmy config. I suspect requests will die down pretty quickly after this submission peaks.
pmiller2 6y ago
I love the concept, but I don't know if 5 years is even enough time for people to have gotten over current events. If you made it 20+ years, I suspect that would work better. In any case, good luck, and I hope I'm wrong. :-)
- enchiridion 6y ago
  I think having it at a filter would be nice. Maybe 5, 10, 20 years.
- moksha256 6y ago
  20 years! Frankly hadn't thought of going back even further. But I guess if Lindy holds true, the farther you go back, the better it should get. In such a case having options to filter would be helpful, as other commenter suggested.
  - archagon 6y ago
    Heh! The site could have “vintages”.
- sdenton4 6y ago
  With a twenty year rule we could be arguing about hanging chads right this moment!
ngold 6y ago
This is what makes askhistorians nice. There 20 year real I think. I look forward to checking this out.
- DiggyJohnson 6y ago
  Link to the rule, for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/rules?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#wiki_no_current_events https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/rules?utm_source... I agree, this is a very interesting topic.
NikolaNovak 6y ago
Interesting - reminds me of the "Delayed Gratification" magazine I just started subscribing to; it's a less ambitious timeframe, but by being deliberately 1-2 quarters behind, it does avoid a lot of churn and puts in a lot of perspective. (FWIW: I find I enjoy the magazine, but I find it also spends a bulk of it in discussing interesting but marginal items from 6 months ago, whereas I would've expected a benefit-of-retrospective discussion of key items from the past) https://www.slow-journalism.com/ https://www.slow-journalism.com/
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- OJFord 6y ago
  If you don't mind, is it nicely laid out, typeset, nice paper, presented nicely on arrival etc.? i.e. is it a good gift, or is it 'just' a good magazine? I've thought about 'Lapham's Quarterly' before, it's just international shipping enough to put me off.
  - moksha256 6y ago
    Lapham's Quarterly is great stuff. They had a 50% sale a couple of months ago and I bought...a lot of their back issues.
  - marnett 6y ago
    Lapham’s Quarterly is truly a gem. I am a longtime subscriber and have the whole catalog, which I consider to be one of my prized collections.
  - NikolaNovak 6y ago
    The design is great. Paper is good; thick and matte. Presentation is great, TONS of infographics, interesting design. It's a visual delight. (Whether it's a good gift, hugely depends on the recipient; it's not quite in the "Coffee table artsy book" range :)
2sk21 6y ago
I love this idea!
easytiger 6y ago
Fantastic idea, I've had several concepts like this in mind.
clankyclanker 6y ago
This reminds me of my approach to reading the news around election day. Every day's news was just waybackHN's random day function: http://www.waybackhn.com/?date=random-day http://www.waybackhn.com/?date=random-day
anonytrary 6y ago
I think it's a brilliant idea. It will result in timelessness being emphasized. Politics rage and "the Twitter mob" is not timeless for the most part, but the key learnings and historical insights are timeless. How do you ensure that a post is actually old? Can't post age be spoofed by the client or the server that is serving the post?
- moksha256 6y ago
  Currently I'm relying on the poster (a) identifying the year of publication in the title and (b) trusting that the year claimed in the title is accurate. So it's not automated. I'm not sure if automating such a thing is doable in a reliable way, but I'm happy to be corrected.

hlindhe 6y ago

Blocking your own proxy? 404 Kod: Message, IP. 172.18.0.3, 180 per 60 seconds

moksha256 6y ago
Ugh it was just working, looking into it.
- calibas 6y ago
  To add, I believe that's caused by rate limiting in Nginx.
  - moksha256 6y ago
    Thanks, looks like it was at 1 per second...I just boosted it a bit. EDIT: boosted again...gosh, HN front page is no joke :D EDIT 2: I ran into multiple rate limits, some of which were harder to discover/configure than others. Site should be back again. Sorry.
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      Seems like the host is down altogether for me.
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        For me too.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - dom96 6y ago
      Why have rate limiting at all? Just disable it
      - sangnoir 6y ago
        Maybe they don't have an unlimited budget for bandwidth charges? I'd strongly recommend they go behind a (free or cheap) caching CDN first before removing limits.
    - doublerabbit 6y ago
      Host pings, but port 80 is dead.
    - calibas 6y ago
      Also, the rate limiting is probably meant to be based upon the client's IP, not the proxy IP. Usually, the proxy adds the client IPs to the request headers and you can use those in Nginx rules.
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SirLotsaLocks 6y ago

Ay I thought this was based off of lemmy. It's cool to see it be used to create interesting sites like this.

moksha256 6y ago
I've deployed a number of web services and I have to say...Lemmy was incredibly streamlined and easy to deploy. Deployment is entirely automated with docker and an ansible script, and updating requires just 1 command. Really looking forward to them completing the ActivityPub integration.
- anchpop 6y ago
  Does lemmy still do the thing where they censor certain words and don't include a way to configure the censorship to try and discourage certain groups from using it?
  - calibas 6y ago
    Looks like it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/server/lemmy_utils/src/lib.rs#L257 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/server/lemmy_u... That's the most offensive Regex I've ever seen.
    - hackerbee 6y ago
      TIL feminazi is used
  - emayljames 6y ago
    I would seriously question why you would want to attract anybody that used any of the regex statements words, but is as easy as changing it in the code.
    - anchpop 6y ago
      Really? You can't go 10 minutes in many LGBT spaces without hearing someone using the f-slur in an affectionate way. Also banned is "b!tch", which is not really considered that offensive in most of the US between female friends, as well as "pu!sy", which is maybe vulgar but not an offensive term at all (I notice "dick" didn't make cut). Maybe for a site like Hacker News those terms aren't usually appropriate, but I see Lemmy \more as a replacement for Reddit and I'd hoped it would be inclusive to everyone, not just to those in their bubble. I don't know how their system works, if using these words just means the comment won't be shared or if it flags it for a moderator's attention, but I don't think so. Here's a direct quote from a developer: > I'll have to think about this. Hard-coding it means I don't have to do a database migration every time someone comes up with a new slur. And putting it in a DB table means someone could very easily remove it by deleting every row of that table, which isn't good. I want to make it very difficult for racist trolls to use the most updated version of Lemmy. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 In my view this goes against the core point of the fediverse. The whole reason I like the fediverse is because it democratizes control by giving it to the users instead of a small-group of potentially self-interested owners. (After googling I found out "n!ps" can be used as a racial slur but I associate it with a funny slang for "nipples". I wondered how the AI conference dealt with this but apparently they changed their name a couple years back to avoid connotations with the slur so maybe it's more widespread/well known than I thought.) (edit: censored slurs. asterisk didn't work because it triggered the markdown so I used !)

headmelted 6y ago

You should fire this behind CloudFlare or a general cache provider immediately. Get the settings for Nginx figured out later, you don’t want to miss your moment on the front page..

moksha256 6y ago
Yeah I was scrambling for a few minutes there but finally uncovered some not-so-well-documented rate limits set by default in the Lemmy config. I suspect requests will die down pretty quickly after this submission peaks.

pmiller2 6y ago

I love the concept, but I don't know if 5 years is even enough time for people to have gotten over current events. If you made it 20+ years, I suspect that would work better. In any case, good luck, and I hope I'm wrong. :-)

enchiridion 6y ago
I think having it at a filter would be nice. Maybe 5, 10, 20 years.
moksha256 6y ago
20 years! Frankly hadn't thought of going back even further. But I guess if Lindy holds true, the farther you go back, the better it should get. In such a case having options to filter would be helpful, as other commenter suggested.
- archagon 6y ago
  Heh! The site could have “vintages”.
sdenton4 6y ago
With a twenty year rule we could be arguing about hanging chads right this moment!

ngold 6y ago

This is what makes askhistorians nice. There 20 year real I think. I look forward to checking this out.

DiggyJohnson 6y ago
Link to the rule, for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/rules?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf#wiki_no_current_events https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/rules?utm_source... I agree, this is a very interesting topic.

NikolaNovak 6y ago

Interesting - reminds me of the "Delayed Gratification" magazine I just started subscribing to; it's a less ambitious timeframe, but by being deliberately 1-2 quarters behind, it does avoid a lot of churn and puts in a lot of perspective. (FWIW: I find I enjoy the magazine, but I find it also spends a bulk of it in discussing interesting but marginal items from 6 months ago, whereas I would've expected a benefit-of-retrospective discussion of key items from the past) https://www.slow-journalism.com/ https://www.slow-journalism.com/

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OJFord 6y ago
If you don't mind, is it nicely laid out, typeset, nice paper, presented nicely on arrival etc.? i.e. is it a good gift, or is it 'just' a good magazine? I've thought about 'Lapham's Quarterly' before, it's just international shipping enough to put me off.
- moksha256 6y ago
  Lapham's Quarterly is great stuff. They had a 50% sale a couple of months ago and I bought...a lot of their back issues.
- marnett 6y ago
  Lapham’s Quarterly is truly a gem. I am a longtime subscriber and have the whole catalog, which I consider to be one of my prized collections.
- NikolaNovak 6y ago
  The design is great. Paper is good; thick and matte. Presentation is great, TONS of infographics, interesting design. It's a visual delight. (Whether it's a good gift, hugely depends on the recipient; it's not quite in the "Coffee table artsy book" range :)

2sk21 6y ago

I love this idea!

easytiger 6y ago

Fantastic idea, I've had several concepts like this in mind.

clankyclanker 6y ago

This reminds me of my approach to reading the news around election day. Every day's news was just waybackHN's random day function: http://www.waybackhn.com/?date=random-day http://www.waybackhn.com/?date=random-day

anonytrary 6y ago

I think it's a brilliant idea. It will result in timelessness being emphasized. Politics rage and "the Twitter mob" is not timeless for the most part, but the key learnings and historical insights are timeless. How do you ensure that a post is actually old? Can't post age be spoofed by the client or the server that is serving the post?

moksha256 6y ago
Currently I'm relying on the poster (a) identifying the year of publication in the title and (b) trusting that the year claimed in the title is accurate. So it's not automated. I'm not sure if automating such a thing is doable in a reliable way, but I'm happy to be corrected.