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Not sure why you're getting downvotes, but this is correct. Though I've heard it as "you can't outrun your s----y diet".

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vsareto 6y ago
You can move furniture 40 hours a week and definitely outrun a shitty diet.
- bumby 6y ago
  Many of us did so when we were young but I doubt many can do so for any longitudinal period without deleterious health effects. Try not to take it quite so literally. The point is it’s much more work to overcome a poor diet with exercise than the other way around.
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  Taking your extreme, low population example into account, then yes you are correct.
plorkyeran 6y ago
My personal experience was that it was entirely incorrect. I was gradually gaining weight due to being sedentary and not paying attention to my calorie intake. Once I started exercising regularly I started having to pay attention to my calorie intake because otherwise I didn't eat enough. I significantly outrode my mouth without that even being an explicit goal. I dislike it as an expression because while fixing your diet is probably the easier thing for most people, it completely disregards the possibility of finding a form of exercise that you enjoy enough to want to do it.
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  It comes down to CICO. Burning a 1000 calories on a five mile run will help, and there are lasting metabolic effects from it, but if you have a SAD and consuming 4000 calories per day on fast food then you're not going to outrun it. I daresay my example is more the case than yours.
  - bumby 6y ago
    I’ve seen studies that looked at the same calories but different macro profiles that showed different results. While CICO is a useful generalization, there’s other factors at play like hormones and how our diet affects those other systems
    - brodouevencode 6y ago
      Yeah this floats around a lot in the bodybuilding/powerlifting/fitness community. The general rule is CICO works for everyone. Because it does. There are some "cheats" that you can do with macro profiles, especially with no or low carb diets (carnivore/keto), however these solutions rarely work long term, especially in athletic circles. For non-athletes it _might_ work a little longer term but if you look at those studies (with non-athletes) they are very short lived and typically on a very specific cohort. Hormonal levels adapt over time and the initial "gainz" you see are relatively short lived - this is most evident in the studies done on athletes. That and you have to stay on top of your bloodwork. In my personal experience it's about six months. I've tried keto, paleo, and carnivore for fairly long periods of time (paleo is much more forgiving long term for a variety of reasons). There are most certainly diminishing returns. Unfortunately, as I said, there's no long term studies here with large cohorts so it's all anecdotal.
      - bumby 6y ago
        Curious if you've ever heard of any scenarios that could cause long-term hormonal changes? I'm thinking of a Peter Attia podcast where he (anecdotally) noticed that after women have their third child (or so), there's a marked change in their ability for their body to bounce back.

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vsareto 6y ago

You can move furniture 40 hours a week and definitely outrun a shitty diet.

bumby 6y ago
Many of us did so when we were young but I doubt many can do so for any longitudinal period without deleterious health effects. Try not to take it quite so literally. The point is it’s much more work to overcome a poor diet with exercise than the other way around.
brodouevencode 6y ago
Taking your extreme, low population example into account, then yes you are correct.

plorkyeran 6y ago

My personal experience was that it was entirely incorrect. I was gradually gaining weight due to being sedentary and not paying attention to my calorie intake. Once I started exercising regularly I started having to pay attention to my calorie intake because otherwise I didn't eat enough. I significantly outrode my mouth without that even being an explicit goal. I dislike it as an expression because while fixing your diet is probably the easier thing for most people, it completely disregards the possibility of finding a form of exercise that you enjoy enough to want to do it.

brodouevencode 6y ago
It comes down to CICO. Burning a 1000 calories on a five mile run will help, and there are lasting metabolic effects from it, but if you have a SAD and consuming 4000 calories per day on fast food then you're not going to outrun it. I daresay my example is more the case than yours.
- bumby 6y ago
  I’ve seen studies that looked at the same calories but different macro profiles that showed different results. While CICO is a useful generalization, there’s other factors at play like hormones and how our diet affects those other systems
  - brodouevencode 6y ago
    Yeah this floats around a lot in the bodybuilding/powerlifting/fitness community. The general rule is CICO works for everyone. Because it does. There are some "cheats" that you can do with macro profiles, especially with no or low carb diets (carnivore/keto), however these solutions rarely work long term, especially in athletic circles. For non-athletes it _might_ work a little longer term but if you look at those studies (with non-athletes) they are very short lived and typically on a very specific cohort. Hormonal levels adapt over time and the initial "gainz" you see are relatively short lived - this is most evident in the studies done on athletes. That and you have to stay on top of your bloodwork. In my personal experience it's about six months. I've tried keto, paleo, and carnivore for fairly long periods of time (paleo is much more forgiving long term for a variety of reasons). There are most certainly diminishing returns. Unfortunately, as I said, there's no long term studies here with large cohorts so it's all anecdotal.
    - bumby 6y ago
      Curious if you've ever heard of any scenarios that could cause long-term hormonal changes? I'm thinking of a Peter Attia podcast where he (anecdotally) noticed that after women have their third child (or so), there's a marked change in their ability for their body to bounce back.