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It's actually a trolley problem within a trolley problem! The decision whether to ban or approve the vaccines as they were developed was another example. The s

It's actually a trolley problem within a trolley problem! The decision whether to ban or approve the vaccines as they were developed was another example. The status quo is to ban vaccines until they meet criteria. Ban a vaccine for those over 65, avoid the possibility of a side effect 100x than ever experienced (there has never been a vaccine entering phase 1 trials with over 1 in 100,000 expected risk of death). Allow high risk people to voluntarily take the vaccine, most will work (about 85% of vaccines tested for efficacy succeed). Society chose to ban the vaccine, killing hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been prevented. This pandemic is effectively solely a problem caused by this decision.

_throwawayyyyyy 6y ago
your take is one of the nuttier ones i've seen during the pandemic "Society chose to ban the vaccine, killing hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been prevented. This pandemic is effectively solely a problem caused by this decision." you say this of literally the fastest development of a vaccine in the history of our planet. vaccines only work if people take them. people only take them if its safe. (and even when they are safe, anti-vax crowd actively works against uptake). so your proposal is to give an untested vaccine to the entire planet, because the harms of doing that would be fewer in number in the short term while completely destroying the ability for society to deliver any vaccine in the future. scenario plan for this: the next pandemic is 10x worse than this one and you blew all of society's goodwill on an untested vaccine this time around. nobody takes vaccine. everyone dies.
nickthemagicman 6y ago
I'm open to people making their own minds instead of the government banning things in general! We don't need daddy government'to keep us safe' or do things 'in our best interest'. Every restriction of freedom is always couched as improving safety.

_throwawayyyyyy 6y ago

your take is one of the nuttier ones i've seen during the pandemic "Society chose to ban the vaccine, killing hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been prevented. This pandemic is effectively solely a problem caused by this decision." you say this of literally the fastest development of a vaccine in the history of our planet. vaccines only work if people take them. people only take them if its safe. (and even when they are safe, anti-vax crowd actively works against uptake). so your proposal is to give an untested vaccine to the entire planet, because the harms of doing that would be fewer in number in the short term while completely destroying the ability for society to deliver any vaccine in the future. scenario plan for this: the next pandemic is 10x worse than this one and you blew all of society's goodwill on an untested vaccine this time around. nobody takes vaccine. everyone dies.

nickthemagicman 6y ago

I'm open to people making their own minds instead of the government banning things in general! We don't need daddy government'to keep us safe' or do things 'in our best interest'. Every restriction of freedom is always couched as improving safety.