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Musk made it clear what he thought about worker’s rights when he forced the Tesla plant open during the pandemic: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52627744

Musk made it clear what he thought about worker’s rights when he forced the Tesla plant open during the pandemic: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52627744 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52627744 The modern day robber barons will never care about the working class. It is up to us to look out for ourselves.

P_I_Staker 6y ago
I'll never understand why people look up to him. I have friends that are totally extreme communists, who hate everything capitalist and they idolize him. He's still a billionaire and a shitty person, just because he has interests in helping the planet (with his great business ventures) doesn't make him a swell fellow. He's still trash, like most billionaires.
- Reedx 6y ago
  I'll never understand why people embrace crab mentality. He's playing a positive sum game - his ventures are growing the pie and moving us toward a better future (e.g., sustainable energy). Focus on the rent seekers, not the pie growers.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    Deep down a lot of people know they're not a crab that will be leaving the bucket so they'd prefer nobody left the bucket so that they don't have to be reminded it's possible.
    - P_I_Staker 6y ago
      Of course, most of us are. This isn't crab mentality though, I just dislike the man's politics and personality. I have no problem with him being a good person, making billions, and creating cool cars/rockets; it's the workers rights stuff I'm upset about.
  - P_I_Staker 6y ago
    Doing a few things that better society while growing your wealth and influence doesn't make you a good person. I don't like most billionaires because they invariably have huge egos and think they're gods great gift to capitalism. When you're using your power to promote business practices that hurt people who aren't receiving lavish compensation, it isn't a benign thing. I was just musing about how strange it is that people love him despite his sketchy business practices. The OP was about him forcing a plant open and having a bad record on workers rights. That's what I objected to, not all the money he's making. I do understand my comment didn't really explain that, so I understand the downvotes. I guess I thought it was clear from the context, why I had a problem with him.
nickthemagicman 6y ago
Covid is a classic trolly problem. Pull the lever and destroy the economy, put the government in debt, destroy businesses, send millions into poverty, hurt individuals futures, increase infant mortality, increase drug use/overdoses, hurt artists and destroy museums, increase suicides, and more. Don't pull the lever and kill a .01 percent of people above the age of 55 who won't stay quarantined. I think he thinks pulling the lever is the wrong decision, and he's moving to a place with like minded thinkers.
- shortandsweet 6y ago
  No, no it isn't. There are a lot more than 2 options to choose from.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Oh I completely agree. But these two options seems to be the choices that are being discussed by the media and government. You're either pro Covid restrictions or you're a granny killer. I personally think we should quarantine the age 55+ crowd and let the people under 55 go about their business. The under age 55 group is like 80% of the population who have only 20,000 covid fatalities which is less than car accident fatalities so why are they being locked up?
    - lazide 6y ago
      How do you propose to isolate the > 55 age group when no one younger is isolating? Nurses, doctors, people they live with will be a vector and pass it to them. And the under 55 age group (at .11% IFR) is still not going to want out and blindly get infected as that is still hundreds of thousands of deaths - leading to them avoiding being out in sizable numbers and still causing economic problems. [Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30769-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...]
      - matz1 6y ago
        The economic problem due to lockdown > than the economic problem hundreds of thousands of deaths.
carapace 6y ago
(The irony of linking to that through Google AMP!)
- doyouevensunbro 6y ago
  Sorry, was on mobile and didn't realize! I will fix.

P_I_Staker 6y ago

I'll never understand why people look up to him. I have friends that are totally extreme communists, who hate everything capitalist and they idolize him. He's still a billionaire and a shitty person, just because he has interests in helping the planet (with his great business ventures) doesn't make him a swell fellow. He's still trash, like most billionaires.

Reedx 6y ago
I'll never understand why people embrace crab mentality. He's playing a positive sum game - his ventures are growing the pie and moving us toward a better future (e.g., sustainable energy). Focus on the rent seekers, not the pie growers.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  Deep down a lot of people know they're not a crab that will be leaving the bucket so they'd prefer nobody left the bucket so that they don't have to be reminded it's possible.
  - P_I_Staker 6y ago
    Of course, most of us are. This isn't crab mentality though, I just dislike the man's politics and personality. I have no problem with him being a good person, making billions, and creating cool cars/rockets; it's the workers rights stuff I'm upset about.
- P_I_Staker 6y ago
  Doing a few things that better society while growing your wealth and influence doesn't make you a good person. I don't like most billionaires because they invariably have huge egos and think they're gods great gift to capitalism. When you're using your power to promote business practices that hurt people who aren't receiving lavish compensation, it isn't a benign thing. I was just musing about how strange it is that people love him despite his sketchy business practices. The OP was about him forcing a plant open and having a bad record on workers rights. That's what I objected to, not all the money he's making. I do understand my comment didn't really explain that, so I understand the downvotes. I guess I thought it was clear from the context, why I had a problem with him.

nickthemagicman 6y ago

Covid is a classic trolly problem. Pull the lever and destroy the economy, put the government in debt, destroy businesses, send millions into poverty, hurt individuals futures, increase infant mortality, increase drug use/overdoses, hurt artists and destroy museums, increase suicides, and more. Don't pull the lever and kill a .01 percent of people above the age of 55 who won't stay quarantined. I think he thinks pulling the lever is the wrong decision, and he's moving to a place with like minded thinkers.

shortandsweet 6y ago
No, no it isn't. There are a lot more than 2 options to choose from.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Oh I completely agree. But these two options seems to be the choices that are being discussed by the media and government. You're either pro Covid restrictions or you're a granny killer. I personally think we should quarantine the age 55+ crowd and let the people under 55 go about their business. The under age 55 group is like 80% of the population who have only 20,000 covid fatalities which is less than car accident fatalities so why are they being locked up?
  - lazide 6y ago
    How do you propose to isolate the > 55 age group when no one younger is isolating? Nurses, doctors, people they live with will be a vector and pass it to them. And the under 55 age group (at .11% IFR) is still not going to want out and blindly get infected as that is still hundreds of thousands of deaths - leading to them avoiding being out in sizable numbers and still causing economic problems. [Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30769-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...]
    - matz1 6y ago
      The economic problem due to lockdown > than the economic problem hundreds of thousands of deaths.

carapace 6y ago

(The irony of linking to that through Google AMP!)

doyouevensunbro 6y ago
Sorry, was on mobile and didn't realize! I will fix.