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Lab/grown meat is still a cell from an animal. I'm vegan and sway towards of not wanting to eat anything from an animal. So as curious as I am, it's still a no

Lab/grown meat is still a cell from an animal. I'm vegan and sway towards of not wanting to eat anything from an animal. So as curious as I am, it's still a no for me. But I approve for that it would be nice to see less slaughter caused by those who do eat meat.

idnefju 6y ago
Being vegan is about animal suffering and consent though
- 1propionyl 6y ago
  There are different sorts of vegans with different reasons for their dietary choices. And regardless, for some, after avoiding animal products for a long time the thought of eating them can come to be unappealing.
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    There are three global reasons one can decide to be vegan, vegetarian, and reducetarian. 1) Animal well-being. 2) Environmental well-being. 3) Personal health well-being. You may substitute well-being with suffering, and there's also a nuance between death and staying alive but using (e.g. milking). [EDIT: I suppose there's a fourth, a psychological reason how some people find certain products 'impure' to eat. But I'm not sure how I'd define that group.]
- Fnoord 6y ago
  What being a vegan is about is up to each individual themselves. There is no kind of contract which allows you to call yourself or see yourself as a vegan, and its furthermore very tiring when someone's trying to preach to you what veganism is about <fill in strict ruleset here>.
Fnoord 6y ago
Ah, right, its still a cell from an animal, as is a tire using a cell from an animal, so I guess someone who doesn't eat meat derived from stem cells also walks a lot. The amount of suffering the animal who's cell is used has to endure to grow the lab owned meat is in no relation to the amount of suffering a cow who is being milked has to endure. Therefore, I consider lab meat vegan in spirit, just like gelatin (e.g. not one pig less dies if you eat some licorice with gelatin in it). Meanwhile, vegans eat avocados, which have a massive impact on the environment, and there's barely anyone in the vegan community who opposes that cause its aligned to the animal suffering dogma, and its almost like a cult, too.
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  > Meanwhile, vegans eat avocados, which have a massive impact on the environment, This doesn't lay true, Those who are not vegan also eat avocados too. And likely at a higher rate then those who are if your going to throw that remark. Humans are a massive impact on this planet and wasteful resource. Regarding to tires it's about time that changes as well. Rubber is such a destructive material to the environment and very toxic. However as far as I know animals are not being bred and slaughtered deliberately to be made in to tires.
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    Tires are made from pigs. Recommended read on the matter: PIG 05049 by Christien Meindertsma [1] [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3389366-pig-05049 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3389366-pig-05049
    - doublerabbit 6y ago
      I'm aware. Which is why I stated that it's about time we changed that too. No, I don't own a car. Yes I do walk. Yes I do drive, and yes I do my best to protect the environment. I even have my own litter picker and go out every-night picking up trash off the streets from those of the likes of you dropping it. Animal slaughter for anything is wrong. Animals have long-been put as second class and that's what needs to change. Why?, why not. And your a prime example of someone who's first class who clearly shows; you don't really care. That's what needs to change in the world. You. How much meat do you eat? Cut that amount in half. You don't need to stop but with demand so stupidly high because of people demanding it for convenience is what's wrong with this planet. Having meat for special occasions, I have no issue with that. If the animal is your own cattle and used for dinner, okay if the animal hasn't been abused. Cows need to be milked otherwise they get ill. That's fine. The issues I have is that when an animal are bred deliberately, tortured and inhumanely treated for your self-indulgence. Sold for greed and profit or used as painful experiments (cosmetics) that's where it's wrong. I'm a environmentalist activist which vegan is only just a sub-category of. Being all-out honest I don't even like vegan products, they taste crap. Cheese is icky, their butter is meh. It has a long-way to go before it can come to anything. But I still hold to my views of it's time to stop eating animals, using animals for ones selflessness. Why are we still using animals, that's a question which no one can ever seem to answer.
sriku 6y ago
Are figs considered vegan?

idnefju 6y ago

Being vegan is about animal suffering and consent though

1propionyl 6y ago
There are different sorts of vegans with different reasons for their dietary choices. And regardless, for some, after avoiding animal products for a long time the thought of eating them can come to be unappealing.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  There are three global reasons one can decide to be vegan, vegetarian, and reducetarian. 1) Animal well-being. 2) Environmental well-being. 3) Personal health well-being. You may substitute well-being with suffering, and there's also a nuance between death and staying alive but using (e.g. milking). [EDIT: I suppose there's a fourth, a psychological reason how some people find certain products 'impure' to eat. But I'm not sure how I'd define that group.]
Fnoord 6y ago
What being a vegan is about is up to each individual themselves. There is no kind of contract which allows you to call yourself or see yourself as a vegan, and its furthermore very tiring when someone's trying to preach to you what veganism is about <fill in strict ruleset here>.

Fnoord 6y ago

Ah, right, its still a cell from an animal, as is a tire using a cell from an animal, so I guess someone who doesn't eat meat derived from stem cells also walks a lot. The amount of suffering the animal who's cell is used has to endure to grow the lab owned meat is in no relation to the amount of suffering a cow who is being milked has to endure. Therefore, I consider lab meat vegan in spirit, just like gelatin (e.g. not one pig less dies if you eat some licorice with gelatin in it). Meanwhile, vegans eat avocados, which have a massive impact on the environment, and there's barely anyone in the vegan community who opposes that cause its aligned to the animal suffering dogma, and its almost like a cult, too.

doublerabbit 6y ago
> Meanwhile, vegans eat avocados, which have a massive impact on the environment, This doesn't lay true, Those who are not vegan also eat avocados too. And likely at a higher rate then those who are if your going to throw that remark. Humans are a massive impact on this planet and wasteful resource. Regarding to tires it's about time that changes as well. Rubber is such a destructive material to the environment and very toxic. However as far as I know animals are not being bred and slaughtered deliberately to be made in to tires.
- Fnoord 6y ago
  Tires are made from pigs. Recommended read on the matter: PIG 05049 by Christien Meindertsma [1] [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3389366-pig-05049 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3389366-pig-05049
  - doublerabbit 6y ago
    I'm aware. Which is why I stated that it's about time we changed that too. No, I don't own a car. Yes I do walk. Yes I do drive, and yes I do my best to protect the environment. I even have my own litter picker and go out every-night picking up trash off the streets from those of the likes of you dropping it. Animal slaughter for anything is wrong. Animals have long-been put as second class and that's what needs to change. Why?, why not. And your a prime example of someone who's first class who clearly shows; you don't really care. That's what needs to change in the world. You. How much meat do you eat? Cut that amount in half. You don't need to stop but with demand so stupidly high because of people demanding it for convenience is what's wrong with this planet. Having meat for special occasions, I have no issue with that. If the animal is your own cattle and used for dinner, okay if the animal hasn't been abused. Cows need to be milked otherwise they get ill. That's fine. The issues I have is that when an animal are bred deliberately, tortured and inhumanely treated for your self-indulgence. Sold for greed and profit or used as painful experiments (cosmetics) that's where it's wrong. I'm a environmentalist activist which vegan is only just a sub-category of. Being all-out honest I don't even like vegan products, they taste crap. Cheese is icky, their butter is meh. It has a long-way to go before it can come to anything. But I still hold to my views of it's time to stop eating animals, using animals for ones selflessness. Why are we still using animals, that's a question which no one can ever seem to answer.

sriku 6y ago

Are figs considered vegan?