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> But there's really no good reason for mask wearing the be in the mix. Thats your opinion, but the people whom you want to wear masks obviously feel different

> But there's really no good reason for mask wearing the be in the mix. Thats your opinion, but the people whom you want to wear masks obviously feel differently. > I cannot sympathize with people who are allowing themselves to be talked into making personally and socially unhealthy choices with no upside. That is your personal decision. For myself, I am quite sympathetic to people who seem to be the victim of confidence artists.

DangitBobby 6y ago
That's where "selfish" comes in. If they had a strong sense of social responsibility, the confidence men would have nothing to sink their claws into. But you don't need much reason or even a convincing liar to talk you into selfish or stupid behavior if you already wanted to behave stupidly or selfishly, so the confidence men are having a rather easy go of it. If these people were actually interested in doing the right thing or the best thing, they might take some steps to figure out what that is instead of swallowing whatever lines the few in power have made up about mask wearing (Personal Freedom I believe is chief among them). Then maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they are too interested instead in winning whatever the fucking game we're playing is now.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > If they had a strong sense of social responsibility, the confidence men would have nothing to sink their claws into. Thats not true at all, they would simply appeal to their sense of social responsibility. > ut you don't need much reason or even a convincing liar to talk you into selfish or stupid behavior if you already wanted to behave stupidly or selfishly I don't think that people "want" to behave stupidly, they merely don't understand that the behavior is stupid. Whereas selfishness is the natural human condition and people who conform to your expectations regarding masks are also behaving selfishly according to their different selfish desires (not catching the virus, appearing to be socially responsible, appearing to conform to expectations of people they respect). > If these people were actually interested in doing the right thing or the best thing, they might take some steps to figure out what that is instead of swallowing whatever lines the few in power have made up about mask wearing Plenty of people research this topic and still disagree about which object-level conclusions are supported by evidence. Its been less than a year since the official guidance of the US CDC recommended against mask wearing. Your willingness to dismiss evidence that contradicts your perspective is exactly the same cognitive behavior they are engaging in. > But they are too interested instead in winning whatever the fucking game we're playing is now. Do you think that people who push epidemiologically ineffectual yet economically damaging lockdowns are also more concerned with winning than with public health? How do you respond to criticisms that the people who publicly support lockdowns are themselves still employed or collecting paychecks during the lockdowns and so they are willing to advocate for measures that benefit themselves to the detriment of others?

DangitBobby 6y ago

That's where "selfish" comes in. If they had a strong sense of social responsibility, the confidence men would have nothing to sink their claws into. But you don't need much reason or even a convincing liar to talk you into selfish or stupid behavior if you already wanted to behave stupidly or selfishly, so the confidence men are having a rather easy go of it. If these people were actually interested in doing the right thing or the best thing, they might take some steps to figure out what that is instead of swallowing whatever lines the few in power have made up about mask wearing (Personal Freedom I believe is chief among them). Then maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they are too interested instead in winning whatever the fucking game we're playing is now.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> If they had a strong sense of social responsibility, the confidence men would have nothing to sink their claws into. Thats not true at all, they would simply appeal to their sense of social responsibility. > ut you don't need much reason or even a convincing liar to talk you into selfish or stupid behavior if you already wanted to behave stupidly or selfishly I don't think that people "want" to behave stupidly, they merely don't understand that the behavior is stupid. Whereas selfishness is the natural human condition and people who conform to your expectations regarding masks are also behaving selfishly according to their different selfish desires (not catching the virus, appearing to be socially responsible, appearing to conform to expectations of people they respect). > If these people were actually interested in doing the right thing or the best thing, they might take some steps to figure out what that is instead of swallowing whatever lines the few in power have made up about mask wearing Plenty of people research this topic and still disagree about which object-level conclusions are supported by evidence. Its been less than a year since the official guidance of the US CDC recommended against mask wearing. Your willingness to dismiss evidence that contradicts your perspective is exactly the same cognitive behavior they are engaging in. > But they are too interested instead in winning whatever the fucking game we're playing is now. Do you think that people who push epidemiologically ineffectual yet economically damaging lockdowns are also more concerned with winning than with public health? How do you respond to criticisms that the people who publicly support lockdowns are themselves still employed or collecting paychecks during the lockdowns and so they are willing to advocate for measures that benefit themselves to the detriment of others?