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Why is enduring poverty not helping the world? Poverty = less resources = less pollution/damage to environment. There is only so much a poor person in Africa

Why is enduring poverty not helping the world? Poverty = less resources = less pollution/damage to environment. There is only so much a poor person in Africa or Indian village can do to hurt the environment compared to a person in West probably producing 20x the greenhouse gases.

DonHopkins 6y ago
Reducing poverty helps the world, not enduring poverty. And fetishizing OTHER PEOPLE enduring poverty, instead of helping those people OUT of poverty, and working to REDUCE poverty, is a clear sign of an extremely dark personality, especially when you accept millions of dollars from terrible dictators to white-wash their reputations, to enrich yourself and your own reputation. If Mother Teresa was so anti-poverty, and anti-greenhouse gasses, and anti-pollution, and anti-environmental damage (which she was not), then explain why she's also anti-birth control (which she was)? Isn't it much more effective to address those problems by controlling the population with condoms and birth control pills and vasectomies and even voluntary safe legal abortions, than to have so many poor sick people suffering and stressing the medical system and spreading diseases, forcing them to live in poverty (which Mother Teresa fetishized) to only slightly reduce all those environmental problems (that Mother Teresa didn't actually care about), while also causing many other problems, like all those decaying bodies floating in the Ganges and all that raw sewage? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1/14/dead-bodies-found-floating-in-indian-river https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1/14/dead-bodies-found-f... https://www.planetcustodian.com/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china/8134/ https://www.planetcustodian.com/over-50-scary-images-depicti...
DonHopkins 6y ago
What's so chilling about you and Mother Teresa is that you're arguing that the poor should suffer to help the world and the environment, when they're not the ones flying around in private airplanes, like Mother Teresa was. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55229725 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55229725 >Climate change: Global 'elite' will need to slash high-carbon lifestyles >The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN. Mother Teresa even killed five innocent people (including two children) with her airplane and jet-set self-promoting high-carbon lifestyle! https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-12-mn-2986-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-12-mn-2986-s... >DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania — A small plane carrying Nobel laureate Mother Teresa skidded into the crowd seeing her off Saturday and killed five people, Radio Tanzania said. No one on the plane was hurt. [...] >Sister Celina, speaking by telephone from the hospital at Dodoma, the nearest town, identified the dead as Sister Clarapia of India, two boys ages 12 and 14, and two men, one of whom ran a center for lepers at the Hombolo mission. https://www.tzaffairs.org/1987/01/tanzania-in-the-international-media-18/ https://www.tzaffairs.org/1987/01/tanzania-in-the-internatio... >Mother Teresa, aged 76, escaped unhurt when a light aircraft she was travelling in slewed off the rough airstrip at Hombolo near Dodoma on October 12th, 1986. Five people in the crowd lining the airstrip were killed. According to the Times, “The dead were two boys aged 8 and 12, sister Serena, an Indian missionary nun, the director of a leprosy centre, and another Tanzanian man. The pilot, Mr Rolf Klemenson, a Norwegian, said the plane slewed off the runway as it was gathering speed for take-off and he was unable to lift it over the crowd. Two were injured by the propellers of the plane and at least one of the dead was decapitated. Mother Theresa subsequently attended the funeral of sister Serena. She was deeply affected by the tragedy, saying: “My coming is behind this accident.” She at first said that she would abandon the rest of her tour, but later decided to continue and flew to Tabora, where she attended a ceremony at which seven members of her Missionary Sisters of Charity took their first vows.”
- friendlybus 6y ago
  It's hard to pick a side when headstrong interpretations win out over likely truth. The jesus-like dream of truth died before I was born and now we're left with people choosing their own interpretations. The article you linked under the shocking line 'Mother Teresa killed five with her plane', describes an incident where a plane was crowded around and unable to get airborn. Five people took the brunt of the propellers. No part of that is directly Mother Teresa's fault and you have to work hard to ignore the pilot's actions and everybody on the ground. It isn't hard to find the truth for what it likely is, through research and a charitable view. Society has determined that using headstrong fear to ram your own interpretation through is better than the past and I weep everyday for what we have lost. This used to be a good planet, now every single marginally positive outcome must be torn from history and context to be presented as the evil "it is". Shame on you. I'm so tired of the politics du-jour shitting on 2k years of successful history. You can lie about the present, and the past won't go away. Everybody who thinks they have a modicum of intelligence and still accepts balongia like these hellish recasts of the past deserves their inability to tell truth from fiction.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Mother Teresa chose to fly to Dar es Salaam not to help the poor, but to "attended the consecretion Monday of seven nuns of her Missionaries of Charity order". https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b You are as quick to forgive her of any responsibility for her voluntary actions of self-promotion and religious indoctrination, as wolfretcrap was to condemn the poor for the responsibility of their mere existence on the environment. https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b She even had the nerve to make the self-aggrandizing claim that it was a miracle of God that she survived (another notch in her campaign for sainthood), but failed to mention that God decided to kill those five people (horribly decapitating some of them with the propellers), including two children, while sparing her. Thanks, God! All this proves my point in this discussion that Mother Teresa is a textbook example of someone with an extremely dark personality, who was so good at and focused on self promotion, that she managed to conceal that fact that she's a sociopath, and fool people into thinking she was a saint, and literally bending the rules to grant her sainthood after her death. The fact that she wasn't personally piloting the private plane she chartered (and that wouldn't have been there otherwise) which killed five people, or that one particular person like Christopher Hitchens who justifiably and correctly criticized her was an anti-theist, or alcoholic, or gay, or a jerk, doesn't detract from the uncontested proven facts, man.

DonHopkins 6y ago

Reducing poverty helps the world, not enduring poverty. And fetishizing OTHER PEOPLE enduring poverty, instead of helping those people OUT of poverty, and working to REDUCE poverty, is a clear sign of an extremely dark personality, especially when you accept millions of dollars from terrible dictators to white-wash their reputations, to enrich yourself and your own reputation. If Mother Teresa was so anti-poverty, and anti-greenhouse gasses, and anti-pollution, and anti-environmental damage (which she was not), then explain why she's also anti-birth control (which she was)? Isn't it much more effective to address those problems by controlling the population with condoms and birth control pills and vasectomies and even voluntary safe legal abortions, than to have so many poor sick people suffering and stressing the medical system and spreading diseases, forcing them to live in poverty (which Mother Teresa fetishized) to only slightly reduce all those environmental problems (that Mother Teresa didn't actually care about), while also causing many other problems, like all those decaying bodies floating in the Ganges and all that raw sewage? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1/14/dead-bodies-found-floating-in-indian-river https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1/14/dead-bodies-found-f... https://www.planetcustodian.com/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china/8134/ https://www.planetcustodian.com/over-50-scary-images-depicti...

DonHopkins 6y ago

What's so chilling about you and Mother Teresa is that you're arguing that the poor should suffer to help the world and the environment, when they're not the ones flying around in private airplanes, like Mother Teresa was. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55229725 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55229725 >Climate change: Global 'elite' will need to slash high-carbon lifestyles >The world's wealthiest 1% account for more than twice the combined carbon emissions of the poorest 50%, according to the UN. Mother Teresa even killed five innocent people (including two children) with her airplane and jet-set self-promoting high-carbon lifestyle! https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-12-mn-2986-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-12-mn-2986-s... >DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania — A small plane carrying Nobel laureate Mother Teresa skidded into the crowd seeing her off Saturday and killed five people, Radio Tanzania said. No one on the plane was hurt. [...] >Sister Celina, speaking by telephone from the hospital at Dodoma, the nearest town, identified the dead as Sister Clarapia of India, two boys ages 12 and 14, and two men, one of whom ran a center for lepers at the Hombolo mission. https://www.tzaffairs.org/1987/01/tanzania-in-the-international-media-18/ https://www.tzaffairs.org/1987/01/tanzania-in-the-internatio... >Mother Teresa, aged 76, escaped unhurt when a light aircraft she was travelling in slewed off the rough airstrip at Hombolo near Dodoma on October 12th, 1986. Five people in the crowd lining the airstrip were killed. According to the Times, “The dead were two boys aged 8 and 12, sister Serena, an Indian missionary nun, the director of a leprosy centre, and another Tanzanian man. The pilot, Mr Rolf Klemenson, a Norwegian, said the plane slewed off the runway as it was gathering speed for take-off and he was unable to lift it over the crowd. Two were injured by the propellers of the plane and at least one of the dead was decapitated. Mother Theresa subsequently attended the funeral of sister Serena. She was deeply affected by the tragedy, saying: “My coming is behind this accident.” She at first said that she would abandon the rest of her tour, but later decided to continue and flew to Tabora, where she attended a ceremony at which seven members of her Missionary Sisters of Charity took their first vows.”

friendlybus 6y ago
It's hard to pick a side when headstrong interpretations win out over likely truth. The jesus-like dream of truth died before I was born and now we're left with people choosing their own interpretations. The article you linked under the shocking line 'Mother Teresa killed five with her plane', describes an incident where a plane was crowded around and unable to get airborn. Five people took the brunt of the propellers. No part of that is directly Mother Teresa's fault and you have to work hard to ignore the pilot's actions and everybody on the ground. It isn't hard to find the truth for what it likely is, through research and a charitable view. Society has determined that using headstrong fear to ram your own interpretation through is better than the past and I weep everyday for what we have lost. This used to be a good planet, now every single marginally positive outcome must be torn from history and context to be presented as the evil "it is". Shame on you. I'm so tired of the politics du-jour shitting on 2k years of successful history. You can lie about the present, and the past won't go away. Everybody who thinks they have a modicum of intelligence and still accepts balongia like these hellish recasts of the past deserves their inability to tell truth from fiction.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Mother Teresa chose to fly to Dar es Salaam not to help the poor, but to "attended the consecretion Monday of seven nuns of her Missionaries of Charity order". https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b You are as quick to forgive her of any responsibility for her voluntary actions of self-promotion and religious indoctrination, as wolfretcrap was to condemn the poor for the responsibility of their mere existence on the environment. https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b https://apnews.com/article/56dc5fdab8fcf949ee6dc4a4f4e9947b She even had the nerve to make the self-aggrandizing claim that it was a miracle of God that she survived (another notch in her campaign for sainthood), but failed to mention that God decided to kill those five people (horribly decapitating some of them with the propellers), including two children, while sparing her. Thanks, God! All this proves my point in this discussion that Mother Teresa is a textbook example of someone with an extremely dark personality, who was so good at and focused on self promotion, that she managed to conceal that fact that she's a sociopath, and fool people into thinking she was a saint, and literally bending the rules to grant her sainthood after her death. The fact that she wasn't personally piloting the private plane she chartered (and that wouldn't have been there otherwise) which killed five people, or that one particular person like Christopher Hitchens who justifiably and correctly criticized her was an anti-theist, or alcoholic, or gay, or a jerk, doesn't detract from the uncontested proven facts, man.