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I personally I'm getting richer. Working for a big corp as a software engineer, I've done nothing but saving more money since the lock down started. I've also d
by gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y ago
I personally I'm getting richer. Working for a big corp as a software engineer, I've done nothing but saving more money since the lock down started. I've also done much more shopping on Amazon, so I guess I'm giving back some of that money to other big corps. Doing groceries at Costo so money is not leaving the circle of big corps.
I've tried to eat out more often, even leaving less or no tips in order to feel more incentivized to not eat at home.
- akka47 6y agothe most HN comment I've read all day
- bzb6 6y agoGee, I wonder why there are HN-like comments in HN
- darkteflon 6y agoMust be parody, surely.
- vestrigi 6y agoEating out more often to stimulate small businesses but leaving little to no tip also sounds counter-intuitive.
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoHow? Tipping is friction and makes you feel bad, by not doing it I'm incentivized to eat out more often. What matters to me are small businesses, if I help the workers but not the small businesses there'll be no job for them tomorrow.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoYour efforts make you feel good, but on your scale are useless (tipping, not tipping, whatever). Not a judgement in any way. The only meaningful help is broad scale fiscal policy support.
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoI'd be willing to pay more taxes to help the economy, but most people are against this. In the mean time I do my part by eating out more often and visiting small businesses.
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- Alupis 6y agoI can't figure out if your posts here in this thread are in jest or are serious. Please excuse me if they are in jest... > I'd be willing to pay more taxes to help the economy, but most people are against this They are against this because paying more taxes does nothing to "help" the economy. Where do you think tax money goes? It doesn't go to people's bank accounts to pay for rent, groceries, car payments, utility bills etc. or any of the places that would directly contribute to the economy. > In the mean time I do my part by eating out more often and visiting small businesses. And as already discussed below - you are also screwing over the employees at those businesses. Quite literally costing them money they could make by serving someone who will tip... so they can, you know, pay for rent and contribute to the economy.
- cmdshiftf4 6y ago>you are also screwing over the employees at those businesses Not to open this argument but it's not the patron's job to ensure the staff are paid appropriately. If servers don't want to run the risk of not being paid at least minimum wage, they should ensure their conditions of employment guarantee it and the business should reflect it in their prices.
- Apocryphon 6y agoMaybe as a start you can try both paying for food and tipping, especially if you claim that you're growing wealthier while others grow poorer.
- gowld 6y agoEating out more often doesn't help if the workers don't get paid.
- captainredbeard 6y agoDude, food service workers are paid poorly and tips are an expected part of their meager comp.
- prewett 6y agoSo consumers are expected to accept a guilt trip to make up the difference and enable businesses to meagerly compensate their workers?
- ulisesrmzroche 6y agoY’all keep acting like we’re stupid but without collective action at scale or a large cultural change, all you’re doing by not tipping is making some poor persons night miserable.
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoIf you're tipping when you're against this practice, you're doing a disfavor to everyone. IMO more people should stop tipping.
- RHSeeger 6y agoIt's worth noting that servers at restaurants are required by law to make minimum wage. If their actual wages (the minimum the employer can pay them, called the "basic cash wage") plus their tips do not bring them over minimum wage, then their employer is required to make up the difference. So if nobody tips, the business winds up having to pay more. So you're likely hurting both the worker and employer, and making it more complicated for both of them. Specifics (basic cash wage value, etc) vary by state.
- Frondo 6y agoAnecdotally, from my friends who work in the service industry, this is also a law that is often simply ignored -- so in lean shifts, workers can go home with less than federal minimum wage. Not a good scene.
- Larrikin 6y agoWould the restaurants prefer I just cook at home or order pick up with no tip? It's an unworkable business model if the direct exchange for the menu price is not enough. There used to be the service of walking your food to you and refilling your drinks a couple times that restaurants claimed the charity was for but it makes no sense when you're picking up directly.
- tyingq 6y agoI'd say it's okay not to tip, so long as you tell the person who would have received it your intentions, in advance. Only fair they adjust accordingly.
- cmdshiftf4 6y ago>Only fair they adjust accordingly. Er, not serve? Or a degraded service which entails what? Begrudging looks? Always a chuckle to behold America's fetish for tipping.
- tyingq 6y agoI get why someone wouldn't like it. But it's not a battle you can fight at that scale. The wait staff get paid $2.13 an hour. They feel the pain, not the business or the American fetish meisters.
- cmdshiftf4 6y agoYou're right and it would need collective action to rectify, and even then you'd encounter some not insignificant amount of those in the service industry who'd loathe a fair minimum wage in lieu of relying on tips as they'd see it as crippling their income. How it should be and how it is are immensely detached, I think we can all agree on.
- prh8 6y agoDoesn't appear like it
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- SubiculumCode 6y agoThis user lives in one arm of K-Shaped Recovery.
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- fennecfoxen 6y ago> Doing groceries at Costo so money is not leaving the circle of big corps. Costco's net margin is ~2.6%, so the other 97.4% is leaving Costco for labor (notably well-paid for grocery stores) and whoever their suppliers are. Are they substantially different from your normal grocery store's suppliers? For that matter, is your normal grocery store itself different from Costco in some structural way that is meaningful to you? Perhaps you were previously shopping at a coop like San Francisco's Rainbow Groceries or New York's Park Slope Food Coop?
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- oivey 6y agoSo you’re getting more for less by eating out more often and not tipping? And you’re also saving more than ever? I mean, that’s cool, but I hope you don’t think you’re being altruistic.
- infogulch 6y agoI think GP comment is parody/satire? (maybe?)
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoI want to help small businesses.
- tolbish 6y agoAt the expense of convenience?
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoI'm not sure I understand, would you rather me not eat out and help out small businesses? My money, my way of helping. I pay taxes for the rest.
- tolbish 6y agoI'm in the same boat as you. I want to help small businesses, but Amazon makes it easy to not do so, particularly during the holiday season.
- ocdtrekkie 6y agoThe rich get richer as the poor get poorer. Case in point.
- vmception 6y agoThe poor get *children
- Trasmatta 6y ago> I've tried to eat out more often, even leaving less or no tips in order to feel more incentivized to not eat at home. If you live in the US this is a real jerk move. You're talking about how you're getting richer, but then aren't willing to tip the service worker making less than minimum wage?
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoI don't agree. I don't like tipping and so I do not eat out usually because of this. Right now I understand that we need to do our part to help small businesses, so I'm making an effort and tricking my brain into eating out by not tipping. This is where I want to put my money: I think it's my responsibility if small businesses are going to survive, I don't think it's my responsibility if workers are not paid well.
- alistairSH 6y agoI don't like tipping and so I do not eat out usually because of this. This doesn't really make sense. Without tipping (expected nationally), the cost of labor would just have to be priced directly into the food. Instead of a $15 burger, it would be $20. If you don't like to spend money on dining out, fine, but it has little to do with tipping and more to do with being frugal.
- ketamine__ 6y ago> This doesn't really make sense. Without tipping (expected nationally), the cost of labor would just have to be priced directly into the food. Instead of a $15 burger, it would be $20. So basically it does make sense because it is easier if the price is the total cost.
- gtrhtrhtrhtr 6y agoI disagree, tipping is stupid because it is based on percentages. Why should I give more tip because I bought a more expensive item? Sorry but we don't have to agree, forcing tipping on others is an asshole move.
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- loblollyboy 6y agoIs that you TechLead?
- prh8 6y agoThis would be funny if it wasn't entirely plausible around here
- prh8 6y agoSadly, looking at other comments here and history it doesn't appear to be a joke
- fnord77 6y agotips exist because small businesses grossly underpay their workers.
- rabuse 6y agoWe all understand that, but it's still negligent to not give a tip to workers, who you know depend on it. Until that industry somehow makes the shift away from tipping, people still need to survive.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Until that industry somehow makes the shift away from tipping Which it won't do as long as people are tipping, in fact, entirely new industries are being created with deliberate, engineered pressure to expand tipping culture into them. There's a very good argument that if you are opposed to tipping culture, as well as taking every opportunity to oppose public policy which supports and accommodated it, you ought not participate in it, which only reinforces and perpetuates it.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y agoSo the guy delivering your food who may not even speak English can go fuck himself right? Not gonna be a very popular hill to die on
- fnord77 6y agothat was my point
- ubercow13 6y agoI always wonder about non-customer-facing workers at small businesses. Who tips them?
- dragonwriter 6y ago> I always wonder about non-customer-facing workers at small businesses. In places that have mandated tip sharing, the same people tipping the customer-facing workers (and, again, this isn't "small-business" specific; chain restaurants are no different than independents here), in places that don't, no one does. Tipping culture is more industry-focussed than scale-of-business focussed.
- amptorn 6y agoYou should be tipping triple right now, rich boy.
- jdhn 6y agoI really hope that this is a parody and that we've all taken the bait in responding to you.