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Again, I do appreciate the back and forth and the additional context re: details around taxes. I think we ultimately just want different things, but I think I

Again, I do appreciate the back and forth and the additional context re: details around taxes. I think we ultimately just want different things, but I think I do have a better understanding of your position. The motorcycle analogy falls flat for me though. To me it’s as if the motorcycle owner pushes to prevent any new bikes from being manufactured because they have one already that they got long ago and additional bikes make the area too loud and crowded. I get why they want that, I just don’t mind if others in the area can get new bikes too. I don’t want their bike, but I want an opportunity similar to what they had when they bought their’s. That’s it basically.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
but that's untrue. take this for example: https://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2020/11/27/sobrato-pitches-townhome-project-at-former-site-of-frys-electronics https://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2020/11/27/sobrato-pit... : 85 new townhomes. you could live in palo alto too and own a property. but if you want the four million dollar bungalow at a price that you can afford(or want to penalise those who own it by slapping more taxes on them to punish them for their ownership) or forcing high density in affluent low density zipcodes, then it's not about you and your needs...but about how you feel towards them and what they have. that's the difference between wanting their bike and sharing the roads with everyone. and wanting to strip an old valuable bike for parts to be sold so many cheaper bikes can be bought.
- fossuser 6y ago
  I'd be thrilled if that's not blocked and allowed to be built (and there's a real chance I could end up in one of them). I don't really want more taxes - I want more supply. I'm just not sure how to get that since as you said I have no leverage and people fight supply. I thought tax could be a way to get that incentive/leverage. Ultimately I'm a lot happier with things like what you linked and hope we see more of them. Also, if my early combative tone didn't scare you off I'd be happy to grab coffee post covid. I've been in Palo Alto 8yrs and it's nice to meet neighbors. Plus in-person conversation is always more pleasant (and I miss Joanie's).
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    It’s been approved for a while. If anything the 85 townhomes will be blocked by housing activists who want to build 249 below market rate or low income housing. And then the townhouse guys will be to the below market rate apartment people what the bungalow folks are to them. And the band marches on. Taxes are never a good way to resolve what communities can plan. Big govt is like The Devil. The devil’s share will always be bigger than what trickles down to the people. Because. Care and feeding of the creature is expensive. I am not easily scared!! Let’s meet up. (Altho, not a PA’ian!) My email is my handle at gmail. Perhaps we can meet up at my farm after lockdown/holidays. Good luck! It will all work out fine and to your satisfaction. You just have to be patient and bid your time...:)
    - fossuser 6y ago
      That sounds great - will reach out :)

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

but that's untrue. take this for example: https://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2020/11/27/sobrato-pitches-townhome-project-at-former-site-of-frys-electronics https://www.paloaltoonline.com/square/2020/11/27/sobrato-pit... : 85 new townhomes. you could live in palo alto too and own a property. but if you want the four million dollar bungalow at a price that you can afford(or want to penalise those who own it by slapping more taxes on them to punish them for their ownership) or forcing high density in affluent low density zipcodes, then it's not about you and your needs...but about how you feel towards them and what they have. that's the difference between wanting their bike and sharing the roads with everyone. and wanting to strip an old valuable bike for parts to be sold so many cheaper bikes can be bought.

fossuser 6y ago
I'd be thrilled if that's not blocked and allowed to be built (and there's a real chance I could end up in one of them). I don't really want more taxes - I want more supply. I'm just not sure how to get that since as you said I have no leverage and people fight supply. I thought tax could be a way to get that incentive/leverage. Ultimately I'm a lot happier with things like what you linked and hope we see more of them. Also, if my early combative tone didn't scare you off I'd be happy to grab coffee post covid. I've been in Palo Alto 8yrs and it's nice to meet neighbors. Plus in-person conversation is always more pleasant (and I miss Joanie's).
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  It’s been approved for a while. If anything the 85 townhomes will be blocked by housing activists who want to build 249 below market rate or low income housing. And then the townhouse guys will be to the below market rate apartment people what the bungalow folks are to them. And the band marches on. Taxes are never a good way to resolve what communities can plan. Big govt is like The Devil. The devil’s share will always be bigger than what trickles down to the people. Because. Care and feeding of the creature is expensive. I am not easily scared!! Let’s meet up. (Altho, not a PA’ian!) My email is my handle at gmail. Perhaps we can meet up at my farm after lockdown/holidays. Good luck! It will all work out fine and to your satisfaction. You just have to be patient and bid your time...:)
  - fossuser 6y ago
    That sounds great - will reach out :)