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China's abuse of data is far worse than United States[1]. Just as I would push for more privacy regarding how US handles personal data, I would do the same for

China's abuse of data is far worse than United States[1]. Just as I would push for more privacy regarding how US handles personal data, I would do the same for China. In this case, a ban on TikTok is the best signal we can send to the CCP. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/world/asia/china-surveillance-xinjiang.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/world/asia/china-surveill...

trasz 6y ago
USA doesn't even have personal data protection laws. China does. As for the article - this all sounds like a subset of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_surveillance_projects#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_survei..., until you realize one crucial thing: in case of US, the preferred way of dealing with this kind of minorities is either AC-130, or JDAM. Any kind of surveillance and reeducation camps is better from ethics point of view.
- nouveaux 6y ago
  This is incorrect. USA has laws protecting against government overreach[1]. In the case of China, the government does not need the court of law to access your data. [1] https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-279-subpoenas https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual...
  - trasz 6y ago
    Except, as demonstrated by Snowden, those laws simply don't matter; the agencies can just ignore them and you can't do anything about it. Also, there are "secret courts", giving their cangaroo "secret verdicts", which, again, you can't do anything about. Now, I have no idea whatsoever what it looks like in China, but... do you have any source? What I meant writing my previous comment was data protection laws, ie laws that control what various bodies (eg companies) can do with your personal data, and for how long.
    - nouveaux 6y ago
      Of course the United States is not perfect. Regardless, the vast majority of Americans will be protected because they will not run into any national security issues. The criticism of China lays squarely at CCP and their abuse of power. My original comment is pointing out how the CCP uses data to oppress minorities. The equivalent would be Trump forcing Facebook and Google to turn over their data so he can go after Blacks and Mexicans. I agree that companies in the US has too much power in what they can do with personal data. This needs more scrutiny.

trasz 6y ago

USA doesn't even have personal data protection laws. China does. As for the article - this all sounds like a subset of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_surveillance_projects#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_survei..., until you realize one crucial thing: in case of US, the preferred way of dealing with this kind of minorities is either AC-130, or JDAM. Any kind of surveillance and reeducation camps is better from ethics point of view.

nouveaux 6y ago
This is incorrect. USA has laws protecting against government overreach[1]. In the case of China, the government does not need the court of law to access your data. [1] https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-279-subpoenas https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual...
- trasz 6y ago
  Except, as demonstrated by Snowden, those laws simply don't matter; the agencies can just ignore them and you can't do anything about it. Also, there are "secret courts", giving their cangaroo "secret verdicts", which, again, you can't do anything about. Now, I have no idea whatsoever what it looks like in China, but... do you have any source? What I meant writing my previous comment was data protection laws, ie laws that control what various bodies (eg companies) can do with your personal data, and for how long.
  - nouveaux 6y ago
    Of course the United States is not perfect. Regardless, the vast majority of Americans will be protected because they will not run into any national security issues. The criticism of China lays squarely at CCP and their abuse of power. My original comment is pointing out how the CCP uses data to oppress minorities. The equivalent would be Trump forcing Facebook and Google to turn over their data so he can go after Blacks and Mexicans. I agree that companies in the US has too much power in what they can do with personal data. This needs more scrutiny.