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What do you want me to say? It's banned in China. It wasn't always banned in China, but as of April 2019 all versions of Wikipedia are verboten. Here's an artic

What do you want me to say? It's banned in China. It wasn't always banned in China, but as of April 2019 all versions of Wikipedia are verboten. Here's an article from a little over a month ago describing someone's arrest for going there: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-china-cracks-down-on-illegal-web-use/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-china-crac...

trasz 6y ago
tl;dr in several provinces there has been a number of cases where folks got verbal warning for doing it. Given the scale (1.5 billion people), it's bit like saying "in US you can call the police to murder your annoying neighbour and they will come and shoot him on the spot". VPN use is ubiquitous in China, it's as simple as that.
- byecomputer 6y ago
  > in several provinces there has been a number of cases where folks got verbal warning for doing it. From that same article: || But police have also issued fines, confiscated thousands of dollars earned through online activity, seized routers and ordered "the suspension of networking,” effectively cutting off users from the internet. In some cases, police have punished trading companies that were using VPN software to access the wider internet for the purposes of “international networking.” || > VPN use is ubiquitous in China, it's as simple as that. || Now, however, detailed records published online by Zhejiang province show authorities moving against the very act of accessing unapproved parts of the internet through VPNs that are not government-approved. ||
  - trasz 6y ago
    Thing is, you need to be able to evaluate the scale. How many events like that happened, in 1.5 billion country? As for the second chunk - this alone makes the article suspicious, as, as I've mentioned, and like you'll hear from probably anyone who lives in China, VPN use is ubiquitous. (Might vary from province to province, though.)
    - byecomputer 6y ago
      It's the law in China. Notes regarding 'probably' selective enforcement are certainly meaningful but at no point am I led to have existential doubts regarding what is and is not the law in China. I have a hunch that if we walked over and asked China's politburo right now, they'd agree that what they wrote down was in fact not a joke and is not to be taken on an ironic basis.

trasz 6y ago

tl;dr in several provinces there has been a number of cases where folks got verbal warning for doing it. Given the scale (1.5 billion people), it's bit like saying "in US you can call the police to murder your annoying neighbour and they will come and shoot him on the spot". VPN use is ubiquitous in China, it's as simple as that.

byecomputer 6y ago
> in several provinces there has been a number of cases where folks got verbal warning for doing it. From that same article: || But police have also issued fines, confiscated thousands of dollars earned through online activity, seized routers and ordered "the suspension of networking,” effectively cutting off users from the internet. In some cases, police have punished trading companies that were using VPN software to access the wider internet for the purposes of “international networking.” || > VPN use is ubiquitous in China, it's as simple as that. || Now, however, detailed records published online by Zhejiang province show authorities moving against the very act of accessing unapproved parts of the internet through VPNs that are not government-approved. ||
- trasz 6y ago
  Thing is, you need to be able to evaluate the scale. How many events like that happened, in 1.5 billion country? As for the second chunk - this alone makes the article suspicious, as, as I've mentioned, and like you'll hear from probably anyone who lives in China, VPN use is ubiquitous. (Might vary from province to province, though.)
  - byecomputer 6y ago
    It's the law in China. Notes regarding 'probably' selective enforcement are certainly meaningful but at no point am I led to have existential doubts regarding what is and is not the law in China. I have a hunch that if we walked over and asked China's politburo right now, they'd agree that what they wrote down was in fact not a joke and is not to be taken on an ironic basis.