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Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracl

by chasil 6y ago

Oracle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. There is a page describing the conversion: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/ They have a shell script to convert a CentOS install to Oracle Linux, so you can buy support if you want. The converter only works with versions 5, 6, and 7. It does not work with CentOS 8. It would be nice if that could get updated.

IntelMiner 6y ago
I don't think many people who want to use something stable like CentOS, but don't want to pay for a RHEL support contract would want to pay Oracle for RHEL-but-with-Oracle-sprinkles-on-top
- kbenson 6y ago
  Not to mention Oracle is not known to leave money on the table, and if they see they can start charging for Oracle Linux because there's no large well known free version, I wouldn't put it past them. Put another way, if you jump ship from CentOS because IBM caused Red Hat to change it into a funnel to pay them money, if you landed on Oracle, you might be setting yourself up to do it all over again fairly soon.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    > Not to mention Oracle is not known to leave money on the table You're underselling it: Oracle grab money in a way that I would describe as "aplomb ruthlessness". They've managed to fuck no less than 3 orgs I've worked for. If they ask you for a license count or how many cores are in use, ignore them. Larry Ellison doesn't need another boat.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  Oracle Linux is free with optional paid support. "Unlike many other commercial Linux distributions, Oracle Linux is easy to download and completely free to use, distribute, and update. Oracle Linux is available under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2). Support contracts are available from Oracle. " https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf [PDF]
  - davoneus 6y ago
    never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Especially with something as important as an open source product. Evidence: Oracle's Sen. VP Glueck statement that "There is no math that can justify open source from a cost perspective." No chance you'll ever see me running OEL.
    - apecat 6y ago
      Are there any license traps in Oracle Linux? Writing like this makes me very wary of putting Oracle Linux anywhere near my employer's systems https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns-of-oracles-licensing-traps.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns... https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-traps https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-trap... Then there's the famous lawn mover quote from Bryan Cantrill https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246
      - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
        Can you imagine if they had successfully purchased TikTok?
        apecat 6y ago
        match made not in heaven but on Oracle Cloud
    - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
      > never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Been burned by them before. Not at liberty to give details, but the outcome is that I never choose Oracle for anything for the rest of my career. Even if it would save time and money.
      - mulmen 6y ago
        The fact that you aren't comfortable discussing the details of how you were screwed by Oracle, even anonymously on the internet, is really all anyone needs to know about Oracle.
bayindirh 6y ago
In our setup we don't need any add-ons that Oracle brings to the table. We also don't need their greed too. We only need RH equal of Debian, since the software we use generally have explicit CentOS/RHEL support.
macspoofing 6y ago
>0racle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. "Out of the frying pan into the fire"
CydeWeys 6y ago
There are two types of people: People who haven't used Oracle yet, and people who will never use it again. And I'll forever hate them for what they did to Java (and in setting the precedent that APIs can be copyrighted).
- pjmlp 6y ago
  What have they done, lets see: - Brought MaximeVM of research and creating GraalVM - In the process of adding value types to Java - In the process of adding support for explicit SIMD in Java - In the process of adding co-routines to Java - Added type inference support - Added pattern matching - Added record types - Integrated J/Rockit support for JIT caches - Made Flight Recorder available in OpenJDK - In the process of making AOT compilation work, instead of requiring you to fork money for a JDK with AOT compiler like Sun used to do - Integrated almost pauseless GC with support for TB sized heaps - Long term roadmap to replace C++ with Java on the JDK, as yet another proof of Java capabilities - In the process of having a JNI replacement And plenty more, https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/0 https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/0 I hope they squash Android Java, Google had the opportunity to buy Sun after screwing them up.
  - bzzzt 6y ago
    When your company software stack is turned inside-out by Oracle reps to look for unlicensed JVM's on penalty of really big fines (sorry, opportunities to buy more Oracle software) all those nice-to-have features don't seem to matter that much.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Java is like C and C++, plenty of implementations to choose from, including the free beer OpenJDK. Anything else is just FUD.
  - bayindirh 6y ago
    They've done all of them because they think it'll allow them to earn more money with less effort on the long run, not because of the sheer love of computer science and research. Oracle creates cool tech in the legacy of Sun because it impresses the right people who can influence the decision makers. To recap: "Hey, Oracle's these new toys are capable and fun to use. We can do much more with them. Can you buy these for us, engineers so we can be happy like children again?"

by chasil 6y ago

IntelMiner 6y ago

I don't think many people who want to use something stable like CentOS, but don't want to pay for a RHEL support contract would want to pay Oracle for RHEL-but-with-Oracle-sprinkles-on-top

kbenson 6y ago
Not to mention Oracle is not known to leave money on the table, and if they see they can start charging for Oracle Linux because there's no large well known free version, I wouldn't put it past them. Put another way, if you jump ship from CentOS because IBM caused Red Hat to change it into a funnel to pay them money, if you landed on Oracle, you might be setting yourself up to do it all over again fairly soon.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  > Not to mention Oracle is not known to leave money on the table You're underselling it: Oracle grab money in a way that I would describe as "aplomb ruthlessness". They've managed to fuck no less than 3 orgs I've worked for. If they ask you for a license count or how many cores are in use, ignore them. Larry Ellison doesn't need another boat.
_-david-_ 6y ago
Oracle Linux is free with optional paid support. "Unlike many other commercial Linux distributions, Oracle Linux is easy to download and completely free to use, distribute, and update. Oracle Linux is available under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2). Support contracts are available from Oracle. " https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf [PDF]
- davoneus 6y ago
  never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Especially with something as important as an open source product. Evidence: Oracle's Sen. VP Glueck statement that "There is no math that can justify open source from a cost perspective." No chance you'll ever see me running OEL.
  - apecat 6y ago
    Are there any license traps in Oracle Linux? Writing like this makes me very wary of putting Oracle Linux anywhere near my employer's systems https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns-of-oracles-licensing-traps.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns... https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-traps https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-trap... Then there's the famous lawn mover quote from Bryan Cantrill https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246
    - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
      Can you imagine if they had successfully purchased TikTok?
      - apecat 6y ago
        match made not in heaven but on Oracle Cloud
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    > never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Been burned by them before. Not at liberty to give details, but the outcome is that I never choose Oracle for anything for the rest of my career. Even if it would save time and money.
    - mulmen 6y ago
      The fact that you aren't comfortable discussing the details of how you were screwed by Oracle, even anonymously on the internet, is really all anyone needs to know about Oracle.

bayindirh 6y ago

In our setup we don't need any add-ons that Oracle brings to the table. We also don't need their greed too. We only need RH equal of Debian, since the software we use generally have explicit CentOS/RHEL support.

macspoofing 6y ago

>0racle already has a clone that performs an in-place conversion of an installed CentOS 7 system. "Out of the frying pan into the fire"

CydeWeys 6y ago

There are two types of people: People who haven't used Oracle yet, and people who will never use it again. And I'll forever hate them for what they did to Java (and in setting the precedent that APIs can be copyrighted).

pjmlp 6y ago
What have they done, lets see: - Brought MaximeVM of research and creating GraalVM - In the process of adding value types to Java - In the process of adding support for explicit SIMD in Java - In the process of adding co-routines to Java - Added type inference support - Added pattern matching - Added record types - Integrated J/Rockit support for JIT caches - Made Flight Recorder available in OpenJDK - In the process of making AOT compilation work, instead of requiring you to fork money for a JDK with AOT compiler like Sun used to do - Integrated almost pauseless GC with support for TB sized heaps - Long term roadmap to replace C++ with Java on the JDK, as yet another proof of Java capabilities - In the process of having a JNI replacement And plenty more, https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/0 https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/0 I hope they squash Android Java, Google had the opportunity to buy Sun after screwing them up.
- bzzzt 6y ago
  When your company software stack is turned inside-out by Oracle reps to look for unlicensed JVM's on penalty of really big fines (sorry, opportunities to buy more Oracle software) all those nice-to-have features don't seem to matter that much.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Java is like C and C++, plenty of implementations to choose from, including the free beer OpenJDK. Anything else is just FUD.
- bayindirh 6y ago
  They've done all of them because they think it'll allow them to earn more money with less effort on the long run, not because of the sheer love of computer science and research. Oracle creates cool tech in the legacy of Sun because it impresses the right people who can influence the decision makers. To recap: "Hey, Oracle's these new toys are capable and fun to use. We can do much more with them. Can you buy these for us, engineers so we can be happy like children again?"