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You know what doesn't have a battery never had any connectivity issues (before apple) and just works? The 3.5mm jack. I'm all for options though! But apple do

by tjoff 6y ago

You know what doesn't have a battery never had any connectivity issues (before apple) and just works? The 3.5mm jack. I'm all for options though! But apple don't so I guess it doesn't matter.

rootusrootus 6y ago
I will tell you this, I do not miss headphone cords at all. Not one bit. I don't miss the cord snagging on parts of my desk, or my legs, or the arms of my office chair, or under the casters, etc. Not to mention cord noise on IEMs, which admittedly isn't really a problem on over-the-ear headphones anyway. I'll probably never buy another pair of corded headphones.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  Landfills also don't feel as empty with all these new devices arriving 18-24 months later, original battery included.
- tjoff 6y ago
  I use a pair every day. And I use bluetooth headphones every day. The existence of either doesn't make the other useless. And I have used bluetooth headphones for over a decade, I find it hilarious that when apple suddenly had a offering that it suddenly became obsolete with cords. It is impossible to overstate how much bluetooth sucks for temporary connections. I dare you, pair your device in my car. Or to play that song on a shared speaker setup. Just a quickie, see how well you do. Might work, might not. The outcome isn't decided by you alone or what device you are pairing with - guaranteed. The environmental impact alone should give one pause. As the batteries will go out and make the heaphones next to useless. Tech-savvy ones might replace them but that is hardly the norm. Yet my corded headphones are over a decade old sounds better than what apple is offering at a fraction of the price. They do not have active noise cancellation though - and that is a killer feature! For some situations... Not in my home, where I use them. Because I have the option to do so.
- stouset 6y ago
  Not to mention spending five minutes untangling cords every time I take them out of my pocket, even when I want to listen to something for like 20 seconds.
- mynameisash 6y ago
  I bought a cheapy pair of heyday headphones ([0] but w/o active noise cancellation) a few years back because I wanted over-the-ear headphones with both Bluetooth and 3.5mm stereo jack. I used these in the office for music, on the bus for podcasts, as hands-free for my phone, etc. It was fantastic. The only complaint I really had was that the Bluetooth mode didn't work with my phone's mic. When they broke recently, I decided to pick up some Sennheisers[1] with similar functionality. With both of these, there have been times when the cord got annoying, but I really like having that option. I've had these new ones almost two months and have probably charged the batteries once. That's about on-par with the heyday pair - probably less frequently, truly. People hate on the 3.5mm jack, but it never fails, and I think the hate it gets is disproportionate to how much people actually struggle with it. And if you do struggle with it on occasion, having the option to flip between Bluetooth & 3.5mm is easy peasy. [0] https://www.target.com/p/heyday-8482-active-noise-cancelling-over-ear-headphones-8211-black-gold/-/A-79899088#lnk=sametab https://www.target.com/p/heyday-8482-active-noise-cancelling... [1] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083W7V3RG https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083W7V3RG
  - mrexroad 6y ago
    > People hate on the 3.5mm jack, but it never fails That was one of the most failure prone parts of the phones I’ve owned pre-AirPods. Corrosion, lint, etc...
- deeviant 6y ago
  > I will tell you this, I do not miss headphone cords at all. I do. I am at the point where I literally have to buy low-end phones just to still have a headphone jack. Stuff gets lost, stuff breaks, I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars every time a little bud goes OOPS. I don't see any benefit of wireless headphones, I seem to have the superhuman ability to manage cables without effort. My headsets never have dead batteries. Are cheap to replace, and have excellent audio quality. I guess I'm not the target audience but you'll have to add my "WTF" to the chorus in regards to $500 headphones.
FroshKiller 6y ago
I've had my share of connectivity issues with corded headphones, like pulling the cord out of the jack accidentally, breaking the wire inside the cord, not being able to walk away from the device I'm connected to without taking off the headphones, etc.
scpedicini 6y ago
Unfortunately your average consumer is not going to miss the inclusion of a 3.5 mm audio jack, but it really sucks if you're a musician. There are a bunch of really good soft synthesizer apps for iOS that work with a midi keyboard but Bluetooth latency makes them virtually unplayable. With a standard 3.5 mm jack it's not an issue. You can buy a dongle but that's just one more piece of complexity.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
  >but it really sucks if you're a musician. Almost all bluetooth headphones on the market have a 3.5mm jack on them at least currently and every device that dropped the jack works with one of those very cheap usb c to 3.5mm adapters.
  - scpedicini 6y ago
    That's not really the issue though, you have two devices that you have to plug-in, the midi keyboard and now the adapter which means you have to use a splitter or usb hub. In my experience it's not usually very seamless and can sometimes cause issues with detection of the midi keyboard properly. EDIT: I have no idea where you're getting that figure but I just looked at three different pairs of Bluetooth headphones that I have in my house, Soundpeats, TOZO, and an LG. None of them have 3.5 mm jacks on them.
    - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
      All the bose, sony and misc brand wireless headphones I have seen have had an analogue jack on them.
      - scpedicini 6y ago
        It probably depends on whether we're talking about over the ear versus ear buds.
newbie2020 6y ago
Yeah this is why it has been hard for me to pull the trigger and actually commit to wireless headphones. Except for the wire part, these are great! Removing that little wire apparently makes this a difficult engineering challenge.

by tjoff 6y ago

You know what doesn't have a battery never had any connectivity issues (before apple) and just works? The 3.5mm jack. I'm all for options though! But apple don't so I guess it doesn't matter.

rootusrootus 6y ago

I will tell you this, I do not miss headphone cords at all. Not one bit. I don't miss the cord snagging on parts of my desk, or my legs, or the arms of my office chair, or under the casters, etc. Not to mention cord noise on IEMs, which admittedly isn't really a problem on over-the-ear headphones anyway. I'll probably never buy another pair of corded headphones.

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Landfills also don't feel as empty with all these new devices arriving 18-24 months later, original battery included.
tjoff 6y ago
I use a pair every day. And I use bluetooth headphones every day. The existence of either doesn't make the other useless. And I have used bluetooth headphones for over a decade, I find it hilarious that when apple suddenly had a offering that it suddenly became obsolete with cords. It is impossible to overstate how much bluetooth sucks for temporary connections. I dare you, pair your device in my car. Or to play that song on a shared speaker setup. Just a quickie, see how well you do. Might work, might not. The outcome isn't decided by you alone or what device you are pairing with - guaranteed. The environmental impact alone should give one pause. As the batteries will go out and make the heaphones next to useless. Tech-savvy ones might replace them but that is hardly the norm. Yet my corded headphones are over a decade old sounds better than what apple is offering at a fraction of the price. They do not have active noise cancellation though - and that is a killer feature! For some situations... Not in my home, where I use them. Because I have the option to do so.
stouset 6y ago
Not to mention spending five minutes untangling cords every time I take them out of my pocket, even when I want to listen to something for like 20 seconds.
mynameisash 6y ago
I bought a cheapy pair of heyday headphones ([0] but w/o active noise cancellation) a few years back because I wanted over-the-ear headphones with both Bluetooth and 3.5mm stereo jack. I used these in the office for music, on the bus for podcasts, as hands-free for my phone, etc. It was fantastic. The only complaint I really had was that the Bluetooth mode didn't work with my phone's mic. When they broke recently, I decided to pick up some Sennheisers[1] with similar functionality. With both of these, there have been times when the cord got annoying, but I really like having that option. I've had these new ones almost two months and have probably charged the batteries once. That's about on-par with the heyday pair - probably less frequently, truly. People hate on the 3.5mm jack, but it never fails, and I think the hate it gets is disproportionate to how much people actually struggle with it. And if you do struggle with it on occasion, having the option to flip between Bluetooth & 3.5mm is easy peasy. [0] https://www.target.com/p/heyday-8482-active-noise-cancelling-over-ear-headphones-8211-black-gold/-/A-79899088#lnk=sametab https://www.target.com/p/heyday-8482-active-noise-cancelling... [1] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083W7V3RG https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083W7V3RG
- mrexroad 6y ago
  > People hate on the 3.5mm jack, but it never fails That was one of the most failure prone parts of the phones I’ve owned pre-AirPods. Corrosion, lint, etc...
deeviant 6y ago
> I will tell you this, I do not miss headphone cords at all. I do. I am at the point where I literally have to buy low-end phones just to still have a headphone jack. Stuff gets lost, stuff breaks, I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars every time a little bud goes OOPS. I don't see any benefit of wireless headphones, I seem to have the superhuman ability to manage cables without effort. My headsets never have dead batteries. Are cheap to replace, and have excellent audio quality. I guess I'm not the target audience but you'll have to add my "WTF" to the chorus in regards to $500 headphones.

FroshKiller 6y ago

I've had my share of connectivity issues with corded headphones, like pulling the cord out of the jack accidentally, breaking the wire inside the cord, not being able to walk away from the device I'm connected to without taking off the headphones, etc.

scpedicini 6y ago

Unfortunately your average consumer is not going to miss the inclusion of a 3.5 mm audio jack, but it really sucks if you're a musician. There are a bunch of really good soft synthesizer apps for iOS that work with a midi keyboard but Bluetooth latency makes them virtually unplayable. With a standard 3.5 mm jack it's not an issue. You can buy a dongle but that's just one more piece of complexity.

SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
>but it really sucks if you're a musician. Almost all bluetooth headphones on the market have a 3.5mm jack on them at least currently and every device that dropped the jack works with one of those very cheap usb c to 3.5mm adapters.
- scpedicini 6y ago
  That's not really the issue though, you have two devices that you have to plug-in, the midi keyboard and now the adapter which means you have to use a splitter or usb hub. In my experience it's not usually very seamless and can sometimes cause issues with detection of the midi keyboard properly. EDIT: I have no idea where you're getting that figure but I just looked at three different pairs of Bluetooth headphones that I have in my house, Soundpeats, TOZO, and an LG. None of them have 3.5 mm jacks on them.
  - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
    All the bose, sony and misc brand wireless headphones I have seen have had an analogue jack on them.
    - scpedicini 6y ago
      It probably depends on whether we're talking about over the ear versus ear buds.

newbie2020 6y ago

Yeah this is why it has been hard for me to pull the trigger and actually commit to wireless headphones. Except for the wire part, these are great! Removing that little wire apparently makes this a difficult engineering challenge.