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>I've been on this journey myself, not that I'd ever harm anyone, but I was definitly radicalised by some of the far-left areas of YT when I was younger. I lost

>I've been on this journey myself, not that I'd ever harm anyone, but I was definitly radicalised by some of the far-left areas of YT when I was younger. I lost a number of friends because I was so convinced I was morally correct and they were wrong on topics like immigration and capitalism. I can sympathize. It's worse off in Canada. We literally watched far left stuff in school. Not once did they ever show anything even marginally conservative. >I'm aware of a few cases now where subscribers of TYT have killed people, but it's hard to know how direct those conncetions are. I did not know that. Are you refering to Armenian Genocide or like TYT channel has created violent antifa type people? >I know for me TYT definitely misled me and caused me to believe everyone who didn't share my views were evil and I have wondered before what I might have done had I been a violent person. I too saw many of their videos years ago and they made lots of sense. They quite wrongfully portrayed Republicans as all nazis and KKK. Or at least a minimum of racists. Mind you, I'm not American nor do I live there. I don't particularly care about the republicans. For all I know they are all racists. >I don't really know what the answer to this is. I know for me YouTube was also part of my deradicalisation process. Listening to people like Sam Haris allowed me to shift into the centrist I am today. I followed Sam before TYT era mainly during the Hitchens and Dawkins time. Sam is very smart but I've been listening to him lately and boy is he ever deranged on Trump. I suppose every president has the Clinton Crazies equivalent. It's very interesting to see Sam not rational about Trump. Everyone is vulnerable to this radicalization. The interesting thing, the very first republican president. Lincoln. He has a policy of like Ben Franklin. "Speak ill of no man, but speak all the good you know of everybody." Yet he had a derangement like no other. Ended up creating a civil war and getting assassinated. >I know often findings like this are followed by calls for censorship, and it does bother me today when I see content online obviously lying or misleding people about news stories to push a certain narrative. That's completely happening. Even wikipedia has politically sided. https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/ https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/ >I'm personally not convinced censorship is the right answer. It's definitely not. Here in Canada we absolutely have extensive censorship. VPNs are becoming increasingly popular for Canadians.

esja 6y ago
Harris is a nice example of why "smart people" need to be very careful. Being "smart" in this sense usually also means you are very good at rationalising your beliefs.
kypro 6y ago
> I did not know that. Are you refering to Armenian Genocide or like TYT channel has created violent antifa type people? Gavin Long is probably the most clear cut example I'm aware of, but we know others like Arcan Cetin were TYT subscribers and some of suspected he was politically motivated. Elliot Roger was also a TYT fan, although I see no connection there. > I followed Sam before TYT era mainly during the Hitchens and Dawkins time. Sam is very smart but I've been listening to him lately and boy is he ever deranged on Trump. I suppose every president has the Clinton Crazies equivalent. It's very interesting to see Sam not rational about Trump. I know what you mean. Personally I think his views on Trump are reasonable, although the way he talks about Trump sometimes makes me feel he's too emotionally invested in the subject. I wish his rants about Trump had more facts and less ad hominems, there are others who make a much better case against Trump than Sam. > It's definitely not. Here in Canada we absolutely have extensive censorship. VPNs are becoming increasingly popular for Canadians. It's the same in the UK. We have to be quite carefully about what we say publicly online because if someone gets offended about our opinions (regardless if we intended offence) we can be arrested for a hate crime. I remember when people used to talk about how crazy it was that the Chinese government censor the internet and arrest people for having the wrong opinions, but this has become fairly normal in the UK today.
- sleepysysadmin 6y ago
  >Gavin Long is probably the most clear cut example I'm aware of, but we know others like Arcan Cetin were TYT subscribers and some of suspected he was politically motivated. Elliot Roger was also a TYT fan, although I see no connection there. Being a fan is necessarily a TYT made me do it. >I know what you mean. Personally I think his views on Trump are reasonable, although the way he talks about Trump sometimes makes me feel he's too emotionally invested in the subject. I wish his rants about Trump had more facts and less ad hominems, there are others who make a much better case against Trump than Sam. I think it's not reasonable. He will say Trump is a racist but then he gets asked what makes him think he's a racist. "He just knows" he cant actually give an example. Meanwhile after he bought maralago he opened it up to non-whites. Literally the opposite of a racist. Sam then says, "He did that for business reasons." Or you look at covid timelines. February Trump shutdown flights from China. You could still go to the usa you just needed to reroute. From which he was called a racist and xenophobic. We even had Canadian leaders call him xenophobic. On February 3, at a time when the US and Australia had excluded foreigners who travelled from China, Hajdu denounced "the spread of misinformation and fear across Canadian society" and called on the opposition to "not sensationalize the risk to Canadians",[15][16] while Tam endorsed the position by the World Health Organization, which "advises against any kind of travel and trade restrictions, saying that they are inappropriate and could actually cause more harm than good in terms of our global effort to contain" the disease.[15] But then in the very next sentence "Trump is one of those guys who wants to shutdown the border and build a wall but he wouldnt shut it down for covid because economy." But you cant call him xenophobic for shutting down and then also give him shit for not shutting down more. >It's the same in the UK. We have to be quite carefully about what we say publicly online because if someone gets offended about our opinions (regardless if we intended offence) we can be arrested for a hate crime. I remember when people used to talk about how crazy it was that the Chinese government censor the internet and arrest people for having the wrong opinions, but this has become fairly normal in the UK today. Here in Canada we have comedians who made dark jokes over a decade ago being found guilty of 'inciting hatred' You have the left wing labelling every right-wing politician as 'racists' not because they are racists but because that's how you silence your political opponents.

esja 6y ago

Harris is a nice example of why "smart people" need to be very careful. Being "smart" in this sense usually also means you are very good at rationalising your beliefs.

kypro 6y ago

> I did not know that. Are you refering to Armenian Genocide or like TYT channel has created violent antifa type people? Gavin Long is probably the most clear cut example I'm aware of, but we know others like Arcan Cetin were TYT subscribers and some of suspected he was politically motivated. Elliot Roger was also a TYT fan, although I see no connection there. > I followed Sam before TYT era mainly during the Hitchens and Dawkins time. Sam is very smart but I've been listening to him lately and boy is he ever deranged on Trump. I suppose every president has the Clinton Crazies equivalent. It's very interesting to see Sam not rational about Trump. I know what you mean. Personally I think his views on Trump are reasonable, although the way he talks about Trump sometimes makes me feel he's too emotionally invested in the subject. I wish his rants about Trump had more facts and less ad hominems, there are others who make a much better case against Trump than Sam. > It's definitely not. Here in Canada we absolutely have extensive censorship. VPNs are becoming increasingly popular for Canadians. It's the same in the UK. We have to be quite carefully about what we say publicly online because if someone gets offended about our opinions (regardless if we intended offence) we can be arrested for a hate crime. I remember when people used to talk about how crazy it was that the Chinese government censor the internet and arrest people for having the wrong opinions, but this has become fairly normal in the UK today.

sleepysysadmin 6y ago
>Gavin Long is probably the most clear cut example I'm aware of, but we know others like Arcan Cetin were TYT subscribers and some of suspected he was politically motivated. Elliot Roger was also a TYT fan, although I see no connection there. Being a fan is necessarily a TYT made me do it. >I know what you mean. Personally I think his views on Trump are reasonable, although the way he talks about Trump sometimes makes me feel he's too emotionally invested in the subject. I wish his rants about Trump had more facts and less ad hominems, there are others who make a much better case against Trump than Sam. I think it's not reasonable. He will say Trump is a racist but then he gets asked what makes him think he's a racist. "He just knows" he cant actually give an example. Meanwhile after he bought maralago he opened it up to non-whites. Literally the opposite of a racist. Sam then says, "He did that for business reasons." Or you look at covid timelines. February Trump shutdown flights from China. You could still go to the usa you just needed to reroute. From which he was called a racist and xenophobic. We even had Canadian leaders call him xenophobic. On February 3, at a time when the US and Australia had excluded foreigners who travelled from China, Hajdu denounced "the spread of misinformation and fear across Canadian society" and called on the opposition to "not sensationalize the risk to Canadians",[15][16] while Tam endorsed the position by the World Health Organization, which "advises against any kind of travel and trade restrictions, saying that they are inappropriate and could actually cause more harm than good in terms of our global effort to contain" the disease.[15] But then in the very next sentence "Trump is one of those guys who wants to shutdown the border and build a wall but he wouldnt shut it down for covid because economy." But you cant call him xenophobic for shutting down and then also give him shit for not shutting down more. >It's the same in the UK. We have to be quite carefully about what we say publicly online because if someone gets offended about our opinions (regardless if we intended offence) we can be arrested for a hate crime. I remember when people used to talk about how crazy it was that the Chinese government censor the internet and arrest people for having the wrong opinions, but this has become fairly normal in the UK today. Here in Canada we have comedians who made dark jokes over a decade ago being found guilty of 'inciting hatred' You have the left wing labelling every right-wing politician as 'racists' not because they are racists but because that's how you silence your political opponents.