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Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to 10 on all my desktops, I'm swamped with users wanting to do Zoom / Teams / Skype / Whatever visio conferences, I have 3 new dev projects for 2021 and now I have to migrate all my CentOS VM... Yeah, thank you RedHat I won't forget / forgive that.

ossusermivami 6y ago
nothing is really free in this word! I think rollling your own distro is the only way to truly be free!
- ueshiba9 6y ago
  Agree! It is the beauty of open source to build it you own way. Google or other giants build their own distro as well, but they have enough talented people to maintain it
  - joana035 6y ago
    And often is based on Debian, like Google's distroless.
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mmcgrath1 6y ago
Before giving up on us just yet, I'd encourage you to check out our developer program for proper RHEL that's free. And I'd stay tuned for announcements that are coming in the first half of 2021 (as mentioned in our FAQ). You might find we've got a program for you: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10
- kspacewalk2 6y ago
  Are you saying we should (mis)use a program designed to give free RHEL for development/testing only, and use it in production as well?
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  You don't get it: I have no budget, if it's not free it doesn't happen. And I'm certainly not going to trust Red Hat now that they pulled support 8 years earlier than promised. I have nothing against you in particular, but if you know the guys that made this decision tell them the same words that Linus Torvalds said to Nvidia. I will never touch anything Red hat ever again because I will remember how after a quite sucky 2020, Red Hat made sure my 2021 would not disappoint either.
- vetinari 6y ago
  T&C for your developer program doesn't allow for running it in production; which is exactly what many CentOS users do. No, they won't migrate to paid RHEL. This is massive goodwill burn for RH.
- awill 6y ago
  If there truly is a free RHEL release for certain use cases being announced in H1 2021, there's absolutely no excuse not to announce it now. You've terrified a LOT of people. Giving a 'well maybe next year we'll announce a solution' is not a response. You've burned people. Don't expect to then sell them Aloe Vera.
- daxelrod 6y ago
  I appreciate you commenting. I think people would panic less if the CentOS Linux cancellation were announced at the same time as these upcoming announcements. Without them, there's a lot of uncertainty and it's hard for anyone depending on CentOS 8 to plan.
- skibbityboop 6y ago
  > in the first half of 2021 Well, you've panicked people who are/were moving forward with CentOS 6/7 to 8, and not on RHEL because no budget. "Don't worry, sometime in the next 6 months there might be useful info for you, or there might not". People aren't going to stick around waiting for that information. You've pulled the rug out from under us and we need to plan sooner rather than later. RHEL isn't do-able due to cost, CentOS isn't do-able because you've just killed it, so away we have to go.
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ueshiba9 6y ago
So let's recap, you don't have budget to spend on Linux but pay Microsoft for Windows and probably Office... And now you are angry for allegedly not having a 10 year support for your OS, so you can avoid some work on upgrading or migrating the VMs. I suspect you should be running VMware as well (and paying for it), instead of KVM or some other open source hypervisor. If the VMs are on a public cloud, you are paying for it indirectly as well. You may have some additional work indeed, but you saved a lot on not spending on a paid Linux distro, being Red Hat's or any other distro, therefore it should be worth it... take that into account
- jiofih 6y ago
  Nice try IBM
pabs3 6y ago
Debian now has LTS releases: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

ossusermivami 6y ago

nothing is really free in this word! I think rollling your own distro is the only way to truly be free!

ueshiba9 6y ago
Agree! It is the beauty of open source to build it you own way. Google or other giants build their own distro as well, but they have enough talented people to maintain it
- joana035 6y ago
  And often is based on Debian, like Google's distroless.

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mmcgrath1 6y ago

Before giving up on us just yet, I'd encourage you to check out our developer program for proper RHEL that's free. And I'd stay tuned for announcements that are coming in the first half of 2021 (as mentioned in our FAQ). You might find we've got a program for you: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10

kspacewalk2 6y ago
Are you saying we should (mis)use a program designed to give free RHEL for development/testing only, and use it in production as well?
jmnicolas 6y ago
You don't get it: I have no budget, if it's not free it doesn't happen. And I'm certainly not going to trust Red Hat now that they pulled support 8 years earlier than promised. I have nothing against you in particular, but if you know the guys that made this decision tell them the same words that Linus Torvalds said to Nvidia. I will never touch anything Red hat ever again because I will remember how after a quite sucky 2020, Red Hat made sure my 2021 would not disappoint either.
vetinari 6y ago
T&C for your developer program doesn't allow for running it in production; which is exactly what many CentOS users do. No, they won't migrate to paid RHEL. This is massive goodwill burn for RH.
awill 6y ago
If there truly is a free RHEL release for certain use cases being announced in H1 2021, there's absolutely no excuse not to announce it now. You've terrified a LOT of people. Giving a 'well maybe next year we'll announce a solution' is not a response. You've burned people. Don't expect to then sell them Aloe Vera.
daxelrod 6y ago
I appreciate you commenting. I think people would panic less if the CentOS Linux cancellation were announced at the same time as these upcoming announcements. Without them, there's a lot of uncertainty and it's hard for anyone depending on CentOS 8 to plan.
skibbityboop 6y ago
> in the first half of 2021 Well, you've panicked people who are/were moving forward with CentOS 6/7 to 8, and not on RHEL because no budget. "Don't worry, sometime in the next 6 months there might be useful info for you, or there might not". People aren't going to stick around waiting for that information. You've pulled the rug out from under us and we need to plan sooner rather than later. RHEL isn't do-able due to cost, CentOS isn't do-able because you've just killed it, so away we have to go.

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ueshiba9 6y ago

So let's recap, you don't have budget to spend on Linux but pay Microsoft for Windows and probably Office... And now you are angry for allegedly not having a 10 year support for your OS, so you can avoid some work on upgrading or migrating the VMs. I suspect you should be running VMware as well (and paying for it), instead of KVM or some other open source hypervisor. If the VMs are on a public cloud, you are paying for it indirectly as well. You may have some additional work indeed, but you saved a lot on not spending on a paid Linux distro, being Red Hat's or any other distro, therefore it should be worth it... take that into account

jiofih 6y ago
Nice try IBM

pabs3 6y ago

Debian now has LTS releases: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS