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In the UK there are 4 figures 1) Died within 28 days of a +ve test 2) Died within 60 days of a +ve test (in England, but not elsewhere) 3) Death certificate

In the UK there are 4 figures 1) Died within 28 days of a +ve test 2) Died within 60 days of a +ve test (in England, but not elsewhere) 3) Death certificate mentions covid 4) Excess deaths above that expected Then there's the "date reported" and "date of death". The date reported is the day the notice reaches the death registrar. That can be within an hour or so of actual death, or can take months. Most are done within about 5 days. For November, in the UK, there were an average 418 deaths occurred per day in the 28 day after a +ve test and 396 deaths reported 410 deaths per day on the death certificate In England alone 28 days: 354 (occurred), 335 (reported) 60 days: 380 (occurred), 358 (reported) Excess deaths: +251 (5 year average), +310 (vs minimum), +191 (vs maximum) If the majority of those deaths were people being hit by a bus, you'd expect the 60 day number to be about double the 28 day number

lazyjones 6y ago
> If the majority of those deaths were people being hit by a bus, you'd expect the 60 day number to be about double the 28 day number Only if the testing was unrelated to the death or hospitalisation. If people who get hit by a bus are routinely tested in the ambulance or in hospital, the outcome will be more likely as reported.
- iso1631 6y ago
  Only if a significant number of the population test positive. In November in England, 354 a day died with a positive test within 28 days. 1635 a day died anyway, meaning 1281 died without a positive test. If 1% of the population were positive, that would mean 16 people would a day "die with covid". To get 354 "with covid" deaths would require 20% of the country to test positive. Mass lateral flow testing in Liverpool last month (Liverpool being hit far worse than most of the country) showed 0.6% of the population with covid. Reports were they were pretty bad flows, missing about half the actual cases, so lets say 1% actually had it. That would mean that of 1635 people a day dying, 16 would "die with covid".

lazyjones 6y ago

> If the majority of those deaths were people being hit by a bus, you'd expect the 60 day number to be about double the 28 day number Only if the testing was unrelated to the death or hospitalisation. If people who get hit by a bus are routinely tested in the ambulance or in hospital, the outcome will be more likely as reported.

iso1631 6y ago
Only if a significant number of the population test positive. In November in England, 354 a day died with a positive test within 28 days. 1635 a day died anyway, meaning 1281 died without a positive test. If 1% of the population were positive, that would mean 16 people would a day "die with covid". To get 354 "with covid" deaths would require 20% of the country to test positive. Mass lateral flow testing in Liverpool last month (Liverpool being hit far worse than most of the country) showed 0.6% of the population with covid. Reports were they were pretty bad flows, missing about half the actual cases, so lets say 1% actually had it. That would mean that of 1635 people a day dying, 16 would "die with covid".