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I don’t know why 3rd-party widgets would bother with fluent design when the 1st-party offerings (e.g. WPF) don’t. Not even new Edge uses fluent design controls.

by nxc18 6y ago

I don’t know why 3rd-party widgets would bother with fluent design when the 1st-party offerings (e.g. WPF) don’t. Not even new Edge uses fluent design controls. WinUI sort of has fluent, but it is extremely inconsistent. When should things be rounded vs squared? It’s completely inconsistent internally. Even if Qt wanted to go fluent they’d have a hard time finding any concrete examples to work off of. I can’t think of any “fluent” apps that are consistent with themselves, consistent with the design system, and not breaking major rules.

mdoms 6y ago
> I don’t know why 3rd-party widgets would bother with fluent design when the 1st-party offerings (e.g. WPF) don’t. Sounds like an opportunity.
- 7786655 6y ago
  To do what? Use the fluent design widgets? Why would anyone want that?
  - speedgoose 6y ago
    If I'm asked at work to develop a multiplatform desktop application tomorrow, I will skip Qt because it looks too old fashioned on windows compared to what is developed nowadays.
formerly_proven 6y ago
FWIW Microsoft has broken, twisted and sheared off the look and feel of Windows so severely in the releases since Windows 7 that it's less visually (and interactional-y) consistent than a Linux desktop in 2013 running a mix of Qt 4/5 and Gtk 2/3 apps, which truly is an achievement. Whatever era of Windows widget styling you're using, no one can argue it looks wrong, since nothing looks right any more. Half of the dialogs in Windows nowadays look like they were made by a confused 12 year old who just discovered BS_FLAT and uses it on everything.
- TazeTSchnitzel 6y ago
  The big difference between OS X/macOS and Windows is that when Apple restyle the UI, they make sure even the oldest apps get the new styles, though maybe not a full makeover. Microsoft on the other hand don't seem to want to do this? Even if they can't update third-party apps, why do they give so little attention to the built-in stuff? There's still the odd dialog straight out of Windows 3.1 in there even.

by nxc18 6y ago

mdoms 6y ago

> I don’t know why 3rd-party widgets would bother with fluent design when the 1st-party offerings (e.g. WPF) don’t. Sounds like an opportunity.

7786655 6y ago
To do what? Use the fluent design widgets? Why would anyone want that?
- speedgoose 6y ago
  If I'm asked at work to develop a multiplatform desktop application tomorrow, I will skip Qt because it looks too old fashioned on windows compared to what is developed nowadays.

formerly_proven 6y ago

FWIW Microsoft has broken, twisted and sheared off the look and feel of Windows so severely in the releases since Windows 7 that it's less visually (and interactional-y) consistent than a Linux desktop in 2013 running a mix of Qt 4/5 and Gtk 2/3 apps, which truly is an achievement. Whatever era of Windows widget styling you're using, no one can argue it looks wrong, since nothing looks right any more. Half of the dialogs in Windows nowadays look like they were made by a confused 12 year old who just discovered BS_FLAT and uses it on everything.

TazeTSchnitzel 6y ago
The big difference between OS X/macOS and Windows is that when Apple restyle the UI, they make sure even the oldest apps get the new styles, though maybe not a full makeover. Microsoft on the other hand don't seem to want to do this? Even if they can't update third-party apps, why do they give so little attention to the built-in stuff? There's still the odd dialog straight out of Windows 3.1 in there even.