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Tik Tok is the only social media app I use (edit: well I guess also Youtube). I'd rather China have my data than the US government or US corperations. Edit: Wh
by Miner49er 6y ago
Tik Tok is the only social media app I use (edit: well I guess also Youtube). I'd rather China have my data than the US government or US corperations.
Edit: Why should I care if China has my data? Everyone seems worried about it, but I can't think of a good reason. I can think of a lot of reasons why I would prefer my own government from having it, though. The only scenarios I can think of, is if I become rich or powerful, or if China takes over the US.
- gruez 6y agoDo you really want China to have the social media history (secrets, likes/dislikes, usage profile) of our future leaders?
- Miner49er 6y agoFrom Tik Tok? Sure, I can't picture a scenario where that would matter much.
- gruez 6y ago"Our server logs show that you were actively engaged with racist/sexist/transphobic video when you were 19. It would be a real shame if that got out. We could make it all disappear, if you helped us in the next round of trade talks..."
- Miner49er 6y agoMaybe, but I don't think China has enough credibility in the US to blackmail anyone. The leader can simply claim it's Chinese propaganda and China wouldn't have a way to prove it, AFAIK. Edit: Plus if that's all it takes to blackmail someone you can probably just bribe them with money or something just as easily.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoIt’s not like the headlines are going to be “China says ...”. It’ll be reported via an anonymous source, or some credible person that they also control.
- Miner49er 6y agoMaybe I am, but if it's that easy to blackmail a person, why would that person not also just be willing to take a bribe? If they care that much about themselves over their country. It just doesn't seem that realistic to me. Both political parties already elect people that have sexual assault allegations against them, have done racist things, sexist things, etc. I don't think anything on Tik Tok is gonna be scandalous enough to blackmail over.
- mrlala 6y agoWhat exactly are they going to use against anyone? The truth? Also, what kind of credibility could anyone attach to it? Hey TikTok claims that Person A liked video B on date C. And what proof do they have? They could already just create a bunch of fake logs like this. I hate to break it to you, but a site like reddit is 1000000x more incriminating for anyone than tiktok is.
- coolgod 6y agoDo you really want big tech and alphabet soup agencies to have the social media history (secrets, likes/dislikes, usage profile) of our future leaders?
- tomp 6y agoYou can sue big tech. If you're a Western leader, you're more likely to be aligned with Western security agencies, than with China.
- Dirlewanger 6y agoThey already do, so I don't understand the point of asking this. Why does another government (that is becoming increasingly at odds with our own by the day) also need to have this data?
- byecomputer 6y agoNot exactly compelled to add the Chinese government into the mix on top of that. The state of privacy being internally dire already doesn't mean I'm obliged to be compromised and debased on an equal-opportunity, global basis.
- duxup 6y agoChina has demonstrated a willingness to extend it's pressures on individuals outside China , pressure on Uighurs in Australia. I see no reason that they would resist the opportunity to build a social credit score of sorts for outsiders as well, and put pressure on other companies to enforce it quietly. We've seen Zoom bans enforced globally at the behest of China because some folks got together on meetings about Tiananmen, and all Zoom had to say was "sorry had to do it". “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” -MLK Jr.
- trasz 6y agoPressure on individuals outside China? Like with Assange?
- duxup 6y agoDo you feel like Assange is the same as asking folks in Australia for DNA samples and implying bad things will happen to their family in China if they don't comply?
- trasz 6y agoCould you provide a source?
- duxup 6y agoQuick google search: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-31/chinese-government-accused-of-intimidating-australian-uyghurs/10945090 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-31/chinese-government-ac...
- trasz 6y agoThanks. Still, harassing people with ties to extremist groups by asking them for their personal data isn't much worse than how the Western world handles this, which usually involves extradition and Guantanamo.
- cataphract 6y agoThey claim US data is not stored in China, though: > The key personnel responsible for TikTok, including its CEO, Global Chief Security Officer, and General Counsel, are all Americans based in the United States—and therefore are not subject to Chinese law. U.S. content moderation is likewise led by a U.S.-based team and operates independently from China, and, as noted above, the TikTok application stores U.S. user data on servers located in the United States and Singapore. So the US will still have your data (potentially).
- Miner49er 6y agoYeah, I've sort of given up on the US government having some of my data. But I'd still rather it be in Chinese hands than US hands.