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It's a money grab, pure and simple. They've (Redhat, let alone IBM) done it before (see below). What happens in practice with this sort of "rolling release" is
by marktangotango 6y ago
It's a money grab, pure and simple. They've (Redhat, let alone IBM) done it before (see below).
What happens in practice with this sort of "rolling release" is users end up patching endlessly in production, which no sane person or organization would ever want to do. This was the exact situation for another Redhat acquisition for years now. JBoss EAP and community editions (wildfly now I suppose), everyone who could moved off of JBoss long ago.
- busterarm 6y agoExcept IBM thinks that this will convert everyone to RHEL licenses and I'm positive that is not what's going to happen. Ubuntu is already the default for people with ML pipelines and more and more vendors are targeting Ubuntu first for their software. CentOS will be effectively dead for a lot of companies starting next year (or 2024). (At least we aren't planning on licensing 10^5 systems on RHEL...). I imagine for those same companies, RHEL isn't far behind it. What's even worse here is that at least for us there are some things that we pay for RHEL for. If we switch all of our other servers, those RHEL licenses won't be continuing either. Obvious, but stupid.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y agoWhy wouldn't they switch to Debian instead? Their emphasis on stability matches that of CentOS more than Ubuntu, or at least did.
- busterarm 6y agoBecause some important vendors don't target Debian whereas they do target Ubuntu. Canonical and RedHat are paying the salaries of the people steering the direction of Linux as a whole. They're forcing you to choose between the two.
- pnutjam 6y agoYour forgetting Suse, I'll bet they take a big chunk of the customer base. OpenSuse LEAP is now identical to SLES and it can be converted easily if you want support.
- apecat 6y agoBut LEAP is only supported for 36 months? https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime That's pretty weak sauce even compared to the five years Debian and Ubuntu offer. And Debian actually supports all their packages, unlike Ubuntu which tricks people into installing unpatched garbage from 'universe'
- pseudalopex 6y agoUbuntu has more predictable long term support.
- jmnicolas 6y agoYes clearly: we use CentOS at work because it's free (as in beer). If I go to my boss to ask money for a RedHat license he would laugh me out of his office.
- Yeroc 6y agoThis. We run CentOS for non-critical stuff and RHEL for stuff that really needs support. If we need to switch off CentOS we certainly won't be using RHEL either. Doesn't make sense to be running a Debian flavour mixed with RHEL since the two a significantly different.
- pjmlp 6y agoJust wait when Mark Shuttleworth decides not to sponsor the project any longer. Ubuntu followed Red-Hat's footsteps away from desktop into the server room, as there is no money to be done there, and it will follow it still, if there is still not enough money on the server.
- silly-silly 6y agoJust so we're clear, you don't want updates ?