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Yeah, because they’ve already banned every U.S. app for Chinese consumers via other measures, i.e., “Great Firewall”. Your comment and perspective is either nai

by jtdev 6y ago

Yeah, because they’ve already banned every U.S. app for Chinese consumers via other measures, i.e., “Great Firewall”. Your comment and perspective is either naive or disingenuous.

FooBarWidget 6y ago
"Every US app"? Duolingo, Microsoft Teams, Skype, FaceTime all work in China, to name a few.
- jtdev 6y ago
  These apps have been re-built from the ground up in accordance with Chinese rules to work in China and the source code of these apps has been completely disclosed to the Chinese Communist apparatus. Do you think any one of those apps is authorized to make API calls out of China? API calls, not phone calls yorwba
  - yorwba 6y ago
    I have in fact made Skype calls from China. I don't know where you're getting your information about those apps' source code from, but since you were wrong about the second part, I'm going to assume you just imagined a plausible story and claimed it as fact.
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Using the Chinese version of Skype, which the CCP certainly has backdoor access to surveil without warrant or oversights of any kind. Regarding the source code thing: you’re either not paying attention or you’re a CCP propagandist. https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/security/chinas-new-rules-ask-tech-firms-to-hand-over-source-code https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/security/chinas-...
      - yorwba 6y ago
        From your link: > The rules only apply to companies selling computer products to Chinese banks Your original comment didn't read like you were talking about auditing in the financial sector.
- bagacrap 6y ago
  every social media app. I'm sure the Android calculator app is permitted. Funny you bring up Skype because in China they get a special version that enables the CCP to surveil your "private" communications for dissent. I'm sure other communications apps are similar, or plain blocked. For example telegram is banned, although Signal is still allowed for now (maybe it's under the radar).
  - franklampard 6y ago
    At least some government let their citizens know that they are being surveilled.
  - trasz 6y ago
    It's called Lawful Interception and is the norm in most western countries.
    - bagacrap 6y ago
      For now, e2e encryption is still legal in the US, and US-Skype doesn't have intentional backdoors as far as we know.
      - trasz 6y ago
        In China end-to-end encryption is also legal, and NSA has backdoors literally everywhere as far as we know.

by jtdev 6y ago

Yeah, because they’ve already banned every U.S. app for Chinese consumers via other measures, i.e., “Great Firewall”. Your comment and perspective is either naive or disingenuous.

FooBarWidget 6y ago

"Every US app"? Duolingo, Microsoft Teams, Skype, FaceTime all work in China, to name a few.

jtdev 6y ago
These apps have been re-built from the ground up in accordance with Chinese rules to work in China and the source code of these apps has been completely disclosed to the Chinese Communist apparatus. Do you think any one of those apps is authorized to make API calls out of China? API calls, not phone calls yorwba
- yorwba 6y ago
  I have in fact made Skype calls from China. I don't know where you're getting your information about those apps' source code from, but since you were wrong about the second part, I'm going to assume you just imagined a plausible story and claimed it as fact.
  - jtdev 6y ago
    Using the Chinese version of Skype, which the CCP certainly has backdoor access to surveil without warrant or oversights of any kind. Regarding the source code thing: you’re either not paying attention or you’re a CCP propagandist. https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/security/chinas-new-rules-ask-tech-firms-to-hand-over-source-code https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/security/chinas-...
    - yorwba 6y ago
      From your link: > The rules only apply to companies selling computer products to Chinese banks Your original comment didn't read like you were talking about auditing in the financial sector.
bagacrap 6y ago
every social media app. I'm sure the Android calculator app is permitted. Funny you bring up Skype because in China they get a special version that enables the CCP to surveil your "private" communications for dissent. I'm sure other communications apps are similar, or plain blocked. For example telegram is banned, although Signal is still allowed for now (maybe it's under the radar).
- franklampard 6y ago
  At least some government let their citizens know that they are being surveilled.
- trasz 6y ago
  It's called Lawful Interception and is the norm in most western countries.
  - bagacrap 6y ago
    For now, e2e encryption is still legal in the US, and US-Skype doesn't have intentional backdoors as far as we know.
    - trasz 6y ago
      In China end-to-end encryption is also legal, and NSA has backdoors literally everywhere as far as we know.