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I'm sure there are other brands with that sort of attachment, but none that exemplify the phenomenon more. Get off that high horse and take a really hone

I'm sure there are other brands with that sort of attachment, but none that exemplify the phenomenon more. Get off that high horse and take a really honest look at your own life, and you'll probably find dozens of examples. Do you research evvvvvvvvvvvvvverything you buy? Toothpaste? Underwear? Toothpicks? Ever order from Amazon even though something costs slightly more because you're not sure if the other retailer is trustworthy and you don't feel like spending an hour figuring out if Bob's Wholesale Toothpick Emporium is a site you can trust? I don't know about you, but my life is a combination of things I have obsessively researched and stuff where I just sort of relied on the brand name. When I need a pair of pants I usually just buy Levis or something because they'll be fine. I've only got so many hours in my life and I don't really feel like becoming a... pants expert.

diffeomorphism 6y ago
The point is that these are not even close to "costs slightly more". Getting "name brand" whatever is perfectly normal. Getting Ferrari scissors for four times a reasonable price because, hey you know Ferrari from <not at all scissors>, is not.
- zepto 6y ago
  I presume you are making this statement with no firsthand experience of the product to base it on.
  - diffeomorphism 6y ago
    I presume you know that the Ferrari scissors are incredibly impressive and unlike any scissors before? What are you basing that claim on?
    - zepto 6y ago
      Do you have first hand experience of AirPods Max? Also, Ferrari don’t make scissors. To presume I have knowledge of something that doesn’t exist, is confabulation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  First of all, you haven't heard these headphones and neither have I. Second, I know a thing or two about audio. I saw an earlier comment mentioning that these use "plastic" drivers, as a sign that they are cheap. Generally speaking, the greatest speakers in the world use plastic or paper material for the cones in their drivers. (Google SEAS or Scan-Speak drivers for some examples). A minority of speakers use aluminum or other lightweight metals instead, but generally it is not preferred. Third, most of the comments on this article are comparing them to traditional, passive headphones in the ~$500 range. These are active headphones with onboard DSP. The physical construction of a speaker matters much less when you can simply shape the response via DSP. If you've ever listened to Bose QC headphones with and without the onboard electronics engaged, you know there's a night and day difference and in addition to the noise cancellation, that difference is due to DSP EQ'ing of the headphone's output. Fourth, Apple has a solid track record when it comes to audio engineering. They've had some misses, but their laptops, phones, tablets, and other devices tend to measure very well[1][2] in the audio department. So trusting Apple to "do the right thing" with an audio product (if perhaps not at a desirable price) is a reasonable proposition. _____ [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aaudiosciencereview.com+apple+measurements https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aaudiosciencereview.co... [2] https://kenrockwell.com/audio/index.htm#reviews https://kenrockwell.com/audio/index.htm#reviews

diffeomorphism 6y ago

The point is that these are not even close to "costs slightly more". Getting "name brand" whatever is perfectly normal. Getting Ferrari scissors for four times a reasonable price because, hey you know Ferrari from <not at all scissors>, is not.

zepto 6y ago
I presume you are making this statement with no firsthand experience of the product to base it on.
- diffeomorphism 6y ago
  I presume you know that the Ferrari scissors are incredibly impressive and unlike any scissors before? What are you basing that claim on?
  - zepto 6y ago
    Do you have first hand experience of AirPods Max? Also, Ferrari don’t make scissors. To presume I have knowledge of something that doesn’t exist, is confabulation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
JohnBooty 6y ago
First of all, you haven't heard these headphones and neither have I. Second, I know a thing or two about audio. I saw an earlier comment mentioning that these use "plastic" drivers, as a sign that they are cheap. Generally speaking, the greatest speakers in the world use plastic or paper material for the cones in their drivers. (Google SEAS or Scan-Speak drivers for some examples). A minority of speakers use aluminum or other lightweight metals instead, but generally it is not preferred. Third, most of the comments on this article are comparing them to traditional, passive headphones in the ~$500 range. These are active headphones with onboard DSP. The physical construction of a speaker matters much less when you can simply shape the response via DSP. If you've ever listened to Bose QC headphones with and without the onboard electronics engaged, you know there's a night and day difference and in addition to the noise cancellation, that difference is due to DSP EQ'ing of the headphone's output. Fourth, Apple has a solid track record when it comes to audio engineering. They've had some misses, but their laptops, phones, tablets, and other devices tend to measure very well[1][2] in the audio department. So trusting Apple to "do the right thing" with an audio product (if perhaps not at a desirable price) is a reasonable proposition. _____ [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aaudiosciencereview.com+apple+measurements https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aaudiosciencereview.co... [2] https://kenrockwell.com/audio/index.htm#reviews https://kenrockwell.com/audio/index.htm#reviews