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I’m good with the Apple’s privacy-oriented stance. But I can’t stop to think what will happen when advertisers knock on Apple’s door trying to get their hands o

by seek3r 6y ago

I’m good with the Apple’s privacy-oriented stance. But I can’t stop to think what will happen when advertisers knock on Apple’s door trying to get their hands on the users’ data that one else can access. Is Apple going to sell it out for more profits?

techelite 6y ago
It's just marketing. Apple has already shown they will sell you out with PRISM. Who knows what other backroom deals are happening outside our knowledge. The only reason we found out about PRISM is because the gigantic scale and Snowden sacrificed Everything to let it be known.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  One thing I like to remind people of is the fact that the Snowden docs that revealed PRISM were years old at the time of Snowden gathering them, and even older at release... just imagine how much further things have progressed in the 10+ years since. (iirc lots of them had 2007 dates on them)
- saberience 6y ago
  I think there's a big difference between selling data for profit and the government literally forcing you to give up data based on national security laws or else forcing you to close your business. There's almost nothing Apple can do about the latter case (or any other company for that matter).
  - techelite 6y ago
    Didn't twitter survive? Also how would we know if Apple is working with other companies? It's not like they are known to be transparent or Truthful.
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    - alwillis 6y ago
      Also how would we know if Apple is working with other companies? It's not like they are known to be transparent or Truthful. Apple puts privacy and security front and center as part of their brand. They zig while everyone else is zaging, trying to make a buck on user data, which they don't do. For starters, here's their transparency report: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/
nojito 6y ago
Apple almost never bends over for advertisers. The closest they have done is pushing a privacy change launch date further down the line. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21420176/apple-ios-14-tracking-permission-rule-developers-delay https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21420176/apple-ios-14-trac... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/12/08/advertisers-must-play-rules-expect-iphone-ban-says-top-apple/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/12/08/advertiser...
MrStonedOne 6y ago
The whole design of this DNS system would mean that even if apple ran a ODOH proxy, they still wouldn't be able to see what the request was for. What data can apple give them?

by seek3r 6y ago

techelite 6y ago

It's just marketing. Apple has already shown they will sell you out with PRISM. Who knows what other backroom deals are happening outside our knowledge. The only reason we found out about PRISM is because the gigantic scale and Snowden sacrificed Everything to let it be known.

arminiusreturns 6y ago
One thing I like to remind people of is the fact that the Snowden docs that revealed PRISM were years old at the time of Snowden gathering them, and even older at release... just imagine how much further things have progressed in the 10+ years since. (iirc lots of them had 2007 dates on them)
saberience 6y ago
I think there's a big difference between selling data for profit and the government literally forcing you to give up data based on national security laws or else forcing you to close your business. There's almost nothing Apple can do about the latter case (or any other company for that matter).
- techelite 6y ago
  Didn't twitter survive? Also how would we know if Apple is working with other companies? It's not like they are known to be transparent or Truthful.
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  - alwillis 6y ago
    Also how would we know if Apple is working with other companies? It's not like they are known to be transparent or Truthful. Apple puts privacy and security front and center as part of their brand. They zig while everyone else is zaging, trying to make a buck on user data, which they don't do. For starters, here's their transparency report: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/

nojito 6y ago

Apple almost never bends over for advertisers. The closest they have done is pushing a privacy change launch date further down the line. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21420176/apple-ios-14-tracking-permission-rule-developers-delay https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21420176/apple-ios-14-trac... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/12/08/advertisers-must-play-rules-expect-iphone-ban-says-top-apple/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/12/08/advertiser...

MrStonedOne 6y ago

The whole design of this DNS system would mean that even if apple ran a ODOH proxy, they still wouldn't be able to see what the request was for. What data can apple give them?