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You just said american gun culture has little to do with this and then you contradict yourself the next sentence. In Europe the risk of having someone greet yo

You just said american gun culture has little to do with this and then you contradict yourself the next sentence. In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them. It's also weird that you speak as if being a cop is the most dangerous job when it's not even in the first 10 most dangerous jobs[0]. I never see people that worry about cops lives worry about logging workers' safety, yet they risk much more than a cop. - [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-i...

forest_dweller 6y ago
> In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them. Are you stupid enough to actually believe this? My uncle was put in prison for over a decade for robbing banks in the UK. He slept with a shotgun under his pillow (the police found it there when they arrested him). Believe it or not criminals do have guns in the UK (police confiscate guns all the time), as well as as other weapons which are illegal (swords, machetes, nun-jucks). Recently police raided a warehouse (near where I live) where they were making firearms. Also I am pretty sure guns were illegal in Northern Ireland as well and plenty of terrorists and criminals had them at the time. It really annoys me when people try to claim the opposite (or gaslight me) by saying "well they banned all the guns that means that there isn't any" because I know it isn't true.
- Veen 6y ago
  In the last three years four police officers were killed in the line of duty in the UK. Two by motor vehicles, one by stabbing, and one by gunshot (inside a police station). The gunshot death was the first in eight years and one of seven in the last 20 years. It happens, but it is rare. In contrast, 44 police officers were shot and killed in 2019 in the US. (Also, including phrases like "are you stupid" in comments just makes you look foolish)
  - forest_dweller 6y ago
    I was specifically responding to the idea that because guns are banned in the Europe that criminals don't have them. I know that isn't true. It is ridiculous to think so. > (Also, including phrases like "are you stupid" in comments just makes you look foolish) Making statements like "In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them." is stupid. Where I live (in the midlands outside of the cities) it is non-existant. In London or Manchester it is probably much higher. Also there is no such thing as an "assault rifle". I not even into firearms and I know the term is bullshit.
  - yholio 6y ago
    > In contrast, 44 police officers were shot and killed in 2019 in the US. Police in turn, killed about 999 people. At least about half of the victims were armed with guns* and it stands to reason that a peaceful and unarmed police would have seen even higher causalities. * https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police...
yholio 6y ago
Yes, american gun culture has little to do with the background of the case: the alleged hacking, the perceived need for a raid etc. We can debate those points, but let's suppose for the sake of argument the cops had no idea if they dealing with a harmless journalist or with Ross Ulbricht, hacker and online drug lord that orders murders. However, the way the raid has been implemented on the ground is a direct effect of American gun culture, it should have been obvious from the rest of the comment this is what I mean to say, this is the root cause I referred to. Cops do not create that gun culture, cops do not buy millions of firearms and place them in the hands of civilians, they react to this situation and try to stay alive, as would you, as would anybody in their position.

forest_dweller 6y ago

> In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them. Are you stupid enough to actually believe this? My uncle was put in prison for over a decade for robbing banks in the UK. He slept with a shotgun under his pillow (the police found it there when they arrested him). Believe it or not criminals do have guns in the UK (police confiscate guns all the time), as well as as other weapons which are illegal (swords, machetes, nun-jucks). Recently police raided a warehouse (near where I live) where they were making firearms. Also I am pretty sure guns were illegal in Northern Ireland as well and plenty of terrorists and criminals had them at the time. It really annoys me when people try to claim the opposite (or gaslight me) by saying "well they banned all the guns that means that there isn't any" because I know it isn't true.

Veen 6y ago
In the last three years four police officers were killed in the line of duty in the UK. Two by motor vehicles, one by stabbing, and one by gunshot (inside a police station). The gunshot death was the first in eight years and one of seven in the last 20 years. It happens, but it is rare. In contrast, 44 police officers were shot and killed in 2019 in the US. (Also, including phrases like "are you stupid" in comments just makes you look foolish)
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  I was specifically responding to the idea that because guns are banned in the Europe that criminals don't have them. I know that isn't true. It is ridiculous to think so. > (Also, including phrases like "are you stupid" in comments just makes you look foolish) Making statements like "In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them." is stupid. Where I live (in the midlands outside of the cities) it is non-existant. In London or Manchester it is probably much higher. Also there is no such thing as an "assault rifle". I not even into firearms and I know the term is bullshit.
- yholio 6y ago
  > In contrast, 44 police officers were shot and killed in 2019 in the US. Police in turn, killed about 999 people. At least about half of the victims were armed with guns* and it stands to reason that a peaceful and unarmed police would have seen even higher causalities. * https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police...

yholio 6y ago

Yes, american gun culture has little to do with the background of the case: the alleged hacking, the perceived need for a raid etc. We can debate those points, but let's suppose for the sake of argument the cops had no idea if they dealing with a harmless journalist or with Ross Ulbricht, hacker and online drug lord that orders murders. However, the way the raid has been implemented on the ground is a direct effect of American gun culture, it should have been obvious from the rest of the comment this is what I mean to say, this is the root cause I referred to. Cops do not create that gun culture, cops do not buy millions of firearms and place them in the hands of civilians, they react to this situation and try to stay alive, as would you, as would anybody in their position.