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So, the tl;dr of the miserableness followed by my commentary: 1. Have to use the Music Manager to upload music; no drag and drop (Yup, that sucks) 2. Somewhat

So, the tl;dr of the miserableness followed by my commentary: 1. Have to use the Music Manager to upload music; no drag and drop (Yup, that sucks) 2. Somewhat buggy phone app (Sucks) 3. Looks too much like Grooveshark (Uh, I guess? Only so many ways to skin a cat and make a music player) 4. Caches music, and they banned Kongregate for caching Flash games (This is a pretty big stretch, especially since the linked article doesn't even come close to supporting the claim caching was the reason for the ban) 5. It uploads files from iTunes, and Apple has shown a history of disliking that with Palm (A: Who cares if Apple gets mad about what I do with my music I legally purchased B: There is a pretty big difference between uploading music you've purchased from iTunes and iTunes allowing non-Apple products to sync with it) Seems like sensational linkbait that has a few legit complains and a lot of filler.

ChuckMcM 15y ago
Well the meta comment is that nearly every single product Google has 'shipped' lately has been met with 'man this sucks.' followed by a period of iteration, followed by either its death (Wave), zombieness (Reader), or appreciation (Docs). I don't know if the "press" (and I use that term lightly because the community is a mix of professionals and amateurs) really has a process for dealing with this sort of release cycle. People like game magazines with their deadlines were accustomed to getting early beta/late alpha stage games so that they could have a review in print when the game shipped 12 - 16 weeks later but even then there were some interesting failures (when they published a review for a game that ended up never shipping). For me, the interesting thing about Google's music service (other than Amazon totally toasted them in the execution of this strategy :-) is that they are wading into lawyer infested waters knowingly. That makes me wonder if we're coming to the 'end times' when folks can see the rights strategies (for music at least) finally settling into some new normal for the 21st century. Now I don't doubt muscians could still shoot themselves in the wallet like authors did with the book deal [1] but they are a bit more willing to taste test this new world. [1] http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/google-books-decision-privacy-concerns-are-real http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/google-books-decision-p...
- jsdalton 15y ago
  > nearly every single product Google has 'shipped' lately Lately? Google Reader was released in 2005 and Google Docs in 2006. Docs was actually built largely from acquired components (XL2Web, Writely, Upstartle). You probably have a good point in there somewhere, but you need to select better examples to illustrate it.
- redwood 15y ago
  G TV has been the worst of all
windsurfer 15y ago
...can you legally disallow someone from modifying the sections of their RAM that your program is loaded (by loading a plugin)?
- dangrossman 15y ago
  Yes. See Blizzard Entertainment/Vivendi vs. MDY Industries in 2008, a lawsuit over World of Warcraft bot software. Through a EULA, you can be barred from using software in certain ways; if you use it in one of those disallowed ways, then loading the program into RAM (launching it) becomes copyright infringement, and a plugin that helps you use the software outside its licensed scope is tortious interference with the EULA contract.
  - MBlume 15y ago
    blinks this is one of the most horrifying things I've read in a while.
DrJ 15y ago
actually: 4. Kongregate's app was banned because the intent of the application of to install other applications there by side stepping any mechanisms setup by the Android Market place. 5. I hope Google v. Apple happens over this and maybe we will get a global accessor... oh wait isn't that what they announced?

ChuckMcM 15y ago

Well the meta comment is that nearly every single product Google has 'shipped' lately has been met with 'man this sucks.' followed by a period of iteration, followed by either its death (Wave), zombieness (Reader), or appreciation (Docs). I don't know if the "press" (and I use that term lightly because the community is a mix of professionals and amateurs) really has a process for dealing with this sort of release cycle. People like game magazines with their deadlines were accustomed to getting early beta/late alpha stage games so that they could have a review in print when the game shipped 12 - 16 weeks later but even then there were some interesting failures (when they published a review for a game that ended up never shipping). For me, the interesting thing about Google's music service (other than Amazon totally toasted them in the execution of this strategy :-) is that they are wading into lawyer infested waters knowingly. That makes me wonder if we're coming to the 'end times' when folks can see the rights strategies (for music at least) finally settling into some new normal for the 21st century. Now I don't doubt muscians could still shoot themselves in the wallet like authors did with the book deal [1] but they are a bit more willing to taste test this new world. [1] http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/google-books-decision-privacy-concerns-are-real http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/google-books-decision-p...

jsdalton 15y ago
> nearly every single product Google has 'shipped' lately Lately? Google Reader was released in 2005 and Google Docs in 2006. Docs was actually built largely from acquired components (XL2Web, Writely, Upstartle). You probably have a good point in there somewhere, but you need to select better examples to illustrate it.
redwood 15y ago
G TV has been the worst of all

windsurfer 15y ago

...can you legally disallow someone from modifying the sections of their RAM that your program is loaded (by loading a plugin)?

dangrossman 15y ago
Yes. See Blizzard Entertainment/Vivendi vs. MDY Industries in 2008, a lawsuit over World of Warcraft bot software. Through a EULA, you can be barred from using software in certain ways; if you use it in one of those disallowed ways, then loading the program into RAM (launching it) becomes copyright infringement, and a plugin that helps you use the software outside its licensed scope is tortious interference with the EULA contract.
- MBlume 15y ago
  blinks this is one of the most horrifying things I've read in a while.

DrJ 15y ago

actually: 4. Kongregate's app was banned because the intent of the application of to install other applications there by side stepping any mechanisms setup by the Android Market place. 5. I hope Google v. Apple happens over this and maybe we will get a global accessor... oh wait isn't that what they announced?