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I tried Ubuntu for a couple of weeks because I felt that the installation procedure for Arch would take some time for me to set up and I wanted to be up and run

by jeena 6y ago

I tried Ubuntu for a couple of weeks because I felt that the installation procedure for Arch would take some time for me to set up and I wanted to be up and running a bit faster. After 4 weeks and every app having so many hoops to jump through because of snaps to get them working together I jumped ship and went back to Arch and the AUR. It's just such a difference in user experience. I feel that Ubuntu is doing a big disservice with snaps (haven't used flatpack that much) to the Linux Desktop community. If it's impossible for me to understand how to use it efficiently, then there is no way in hell I will point my father towards Ubuntu.

pmontra 6y ago
Out of curiosity, which apps do you use that come packaged in a snap? My Ubuntu 20.04 tells me this: $ snap list Name Version Rev Tracking Publisher Notes canonical-livepatch 9.5.5 95 latest/stable canonical - core 16-2.48 10444 latest/stable canonical core core18 20200929 1932 latest/stable canonical base gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 145 latest/stable canonical - gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 60 latest/stable canonical - gtk-common-themes 0.1-50-gf7627e4 1514 latest/stable/… canonical - snap-store 3.38.0-55-geb45541 498 latest/stable/… canonical - I think it's the bare minimum before utterly removing all support for snaps [1]. I installed everything I need either as .deb or docker. BTW, slack has a deb on its download page. I installed another 20.04 on my old laptop from 2006 yesterday because I read that its kernel would finally support again the old ATI X1600 graphic card. It does. When I run emacs and thunderbird from terminal it told me "command not found" and something along the lines of do you want to install as a snap or with apt? I run the apt commands. [1] https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-20-04/ https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-...
- jeena 6y ago
  Thunderbird, Kdenlive, Darktable, Gimp, KeePassXC, VLC, Minecraft Those are the ones I remember. I needed to install them via snap because the deb packages were too old to be able to open my files which I copied over from my Arch installation.
  - pmontra 6y ago
    This prompted my to investigate. I'm on Thunderbird 68 and the latest release seems to be 78. I think I only need the features of Thunderbird from 15 years ago, so that's ok. VLC is 3.0.9.2 and GIMP is 2.10.18. No Kdeenlive, Darktable and Minecraft. I'm using KeePassX (not XC) version 2.0.3. Of course I would install snaps if I absolutely needed an app distributed only as snap but I'd rather use debs.
    - Macha 6y ago
      > I'm using KeePassX (not XC) version 2.0.3. Note that KeePassXC is the continuation of KeePassX, which is defunct (last release in 2016, only two commits since for new Qt versions)

by jeena 6y ago

pmontra 6y ago

Out of curiosity, which apps do you use that come packaged in a snap? My Ubuntu 20.04 tells me this: $ snap list Name Version Rev Tracking Publisher Notes canonical-livepatch 9.5.5 95 latest/stable canonical - core 16-2.48 10444 latest/stable canonical core core18 20200929 1932 latest/stable canonical base gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 145 latest/stable canonical - gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 60 latest/stable canonical - gtk-common-themes 0.1-50-gf7627e4 1514 latest/stable/… canonical - snap-store 3.38.0-55-geb45541 498 latest/stable/… canonical - I think it's the bare minimum before utterly removing all support for snaps [1]. I installed everything I need either as .deb or docker. BTW, slack has a deb on its download page. I installed another 20.04 on my old laptop from 2006 yesterday because I read that its kernel would finally support again the old ATI X1600 graphic card. It does. When I run emacs and thunderbird from terminal it told me "command not found" and something along the lines of do you want to install as a snap or with apt? I run the apt commands. [1] https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-20-04/ https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-...

jeena 6y ago
Thunderbird, Kdenlive, Darktable, Gimp, KeePassXC, VLC, Minecraft Those are the ones I remember. I needed to install them via snap because the deb packages were too old to be able to open my files which I copied over from my Arch installation.
- pmontra 6y ago
  This prompted my to investigate. I'm on Thunderbird 68 and the latest release seems to be 78. I think I only need the features of Thunderbird from 15 years ago, so that's ok. VLC is 3.0.9.2 and GIMP is 2.10.18. No Kdeenlive, Darktable and Minecraft. I'm using KeePassX (not XC) version 2.0.3. Of course I would install snaps if I absolutely needed an app distributed only as snap but I'd rather use debs.
  - Macha 6y ago
    > I'm using KeePassX (not XC) version 2.0.3. Note that KeePassXC is the continuation of KeePassX, which is defunct (last release in 2016, only two commits since for new Qt versions)