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And pointing a gun at her children is just dandy, isn’t it? Cops training and behavior is one huge problem in the US. The other part of the problem is people li

And pointing a gun at her children is just dandy, isn’t it? Cops training and behavior is one huge problem in the US. The other part of the problem is people like you, people who justify and normalize their violent behavior. If i were to choose what’s worse I’d say it is actually not the cops who are trained poorly, it’s people like you whose thinking is distorted towards violence

giantg2 6y ago
They were clearing a corner (assuming the kids were off-frame since the video didn't show it). I see no problem with what was presented in the article/video. Training and behavior is a major problem, but I don't see it in this case. If you had any training, then you would have understood there was no abuse in what was presented.
- tartoran 6y ago
  You have to clear a corner of your conscience and learn some empathy (fake it till you make it). If it ever happened to you and your family you’d be pissed and wouldn’t waste your energy in trying to justify their violent behavior
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Lol I have been the victim of police misconduct and filed a (successful) complaint against them. Maybe if you took some training and educated yourself on law and law enforcement, you would have some empathy for both sides instead of just one. There was no violence here.
    - tartoran 6y ago
      Soft violence or symbolic violence is what I was referring to here. It’s menant to humiliate, to subjugate, to impose unearned reapect and law enforcement abuse it all the friggin time. Just once in a while is there is a honest and really respectful cop that not cooperating with doesn’t even appear like an option. But when cops bark orders and you’re supposed to say yes sir, i’ll do whatever you please because you’re authority, that’s when we’re dealing with soft violence
      - heavyset_go 6y ago
        If I pointed a gun at someone that would, at the very least, be assault with a deadly weapon. It's definitely violence.
        tartoran 6y ago
        But not if you’re law inforcement, it is considered routine or justified as a commenter did previously: they did clear some corner or whatever. This kind of behavior has sadly been normalized and is seen as acceptable now. If we don’t do something now we’ll have striking/hitting/punching suspects as normal too
        giantg2 6y ago
        That's not true at all and is a slippery slope argument. In fact, over the decades the courts have made numerous rulings in the opposite direction - giving suspects more rights and protections.
        tartoran 6y ago
        That is not untrue, the courts have made some terrible rulings but that’s a different story. However, the law enforcement department has become increasingly trigger happy and there’s no denying of that.
        giantg2 6y ago
        Brady v MD, Miranda, and others have strengthened people's rights. Are there still problems? Yes. But overall it is getting better. What evidence do you have that cops are more trigger happy now than before? The numbers seem pretty steady to me. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251894/number-of-justifiable-homicides-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/251894/number-of-justifi...
        tartoran 6y ago
- fredophile 6y ago
  I have some training. When I was taught to clear corners it was always done by the first person to go around the corner. There isn't much point in clearing a corner when you have someone friendly who has already gone around it. The LEO who is clearing the corner has also gone to a higher escalation of force than the other LEOs. Other LEOs have weapons drawn but he's the only one pointing his gun at things. The fact that only one person is behaving differently, and more aggressively, suggests to me that their behavior isn't appropriate here.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    The first person went past the stairs (you clear floor by floor). It would be better to park the first person at the stairs while the others proceed to search the rest of the first floor, basically a modified bounding overwatch. That way you don't have to reclear the stairs everytime you pass it (since the upstairs has not been cleared).

giantg2 6y ago

They were clearing a corner (assuming the kids were off-frame since the video didn't show it). I see no problem with what was presented in the article/video. Training and behavior is a major problem, but I don't see it in this case. If you had any training, then you would have understood there was no abuse in what was presented.

tartoran 6y ago
You have to clear a corner of your conscience and learn some empathy (fake it till you make it). If it ever happened to you and your family you’d be pissed and wouldn’t waste your energy in trying to justify their violent behavior
- giantg2 6y ago
  Lol I have been the victim of police misconduct and filed a (successful) complaint against them. Maybe if you took some training and educated yourself on law and law enforcement, you would have some empathy for both sides instead of just one. There was no violence here.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    Soft violence or symbolic violence is what I was referring to here. It’s menant to humiliate, to subjugate, to impose unearned reapect and law enforcement abuse it all the friggin time. Just once in a while is there is a honest and really respectful cop that not cooperating with doesn’t even appear like an option. But when cops bark orders and you’re supposed to say yes sir, i’ll do whatever you please because you’re authority, that’s when we’re dealing with soft violence
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      If I pointed a gun at someone that would, at the very least, be assault with a deadly weapon. It's definitely violence.
      - tartoran 6y ago
        But not if you’re law inforcement, it is considered routine or justified as a commenter did previously: they did clear some corner or whatever. This kind of behavior has sadly been normalized and is seen as acceptable now. If we don’t do something now we’ll have striking/hitting/punching suspects as normal too
        giantg2 6y ago
        That's not true at all and is a slippery slope argument. In fact, over the decades the courts have made numerous rulings in the opposite direction - giving suspects more rights and protections.
        tartoran 6y ago
        That is not untrue, the courts have made some terrible rulings but that’s a different story. However, the law enforcement department has become increasingly trigger happy and there’s no denying of that.
        giantg2 6y ago
        Brady v MD, Miranda, and others have strengthened people's rights. Are there still problems? Yes. But overall it is getting better. What evidence do you have that cops are more trigger happy now than before? The numbers seem pretty steady to me. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251894/number-of-justifiable-homicides-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/251894/number-of-justifi...
        tartoran 6y ago
fredophile 6y ago
I have some training. When I was taught to clear corners it was always done by the first person to go around the corner. There isn't much point in clearing a corner when you have someone friendly who has already gone around it. The LEO who is clearing the corner has also gone to a higher escalation of force than the other LEOs. Other LEOs have weapons drawn but he's the only one pointing his gun at things. The fact that only one person is behaving differently, and more aggressively, suggests to me that their behavior isn't appropriate here.
- giantg2 6y ago
  The first person went past the stairs (you clear floor by floor). It would be better to park the first person at the stairs while the others proceed to search the rest of the first floor, basically a modified bounding overwatch. That way you don't have to reclear the stairs everytime you pass it (since the upstairs has not been cleared).