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You can see lots of videos filmed by Tesla car owners (not by Tesla) showcasing exactly how the Tesla full self driving beta is doing: https://www.youtube.com/w

You can see lots of videos filmed by Tesla car owners (not by Tesla) showcasing exactly how the Tesla full self driving beta is doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8IQFb3JeEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8IQFb3JeEo It's not perfect, but it keeps better with every release. They are ahead of everyone else by a long shot.

minwcnt5 6y ago
As far as I can tell all the videos have a licensed driver in the front left seat. I don't know how anyone can call that "full self driving", let alone ahead of other players.
- tachyonbeam 6y ago
  Erm, there's the word "beta" in the name. Of course you want to test it with someone in the driver's seat. They're ahead of other players because they have: 1. Hundreds of thousands of cars on the streets with FSD hardware 2. More data than anyone else 3. Their own neural network accelerator chip.
  - justapassenger 6y ago
    Given this is tech site - can you please tell me there Tesla is storing this data? Video is very expensive to store and process, so if they have this massive data advantage, where are their data centers? I’d like to remind you as well that Google, aka waymo, had their nn accelerators for half a decade already.
    - tachyonbeam 6y ago
      I don't work at Tesla, so I don't know where they have their clusters, but there are obviously many cloud providers who would be more than happy to sell you as many petabytes of storage as you would like to buy. > I’d like to remind you as well that Google, aka Waymo, had their nn accelerators for half a decade already. That's true, but you need something mobile and low power for a car. I don't know if Waymo really has an equivalent there. Also, it's an advantage for Tesla to have their own regardless, because of cost. Tesla can probably make their FSD computer for $200. If you are a third party and you want to buy Waymo's solution, they will sell it to you for thousands.
justapassenger 6y ago
It still fails at very basic driving activities - it’s L2 system, and is advertised as Tesla as such (driver needs to be ready to takeover at any moment). Very good L2, but nowhere close to customer ready self driving.
- tachyonbeam 6y ago
  It's definitely bordering on Level 4 at this point. If you're claiming it's L2 then you simply have no idea what Tesla has been up to.
  - justapassenger 6y ago
    They’re not even at level 3 yet. Level 3 allows you to take your eyes off the road, and car will notify you if there’s something it cannot deal with, in advance. Tesla FSD will kill you if you do that. As I said, it’s very impressive for level 2. But just because it can do more stuff that any other publicly available l2 system, it doesn’t make it self driving system. And Tesla knows that. They’ve quietly walked back most of their claims. They used to advertise it as level 5, that you can go to sleep. Now they advertise FSD as system that requires full human attention, and only missing thing is auto steer on city streets.
    - tachyonbeam 6y ago
      The beta has steering on city streets, it handles roundabouts, merging, changing lanes, construction work, deers crossing the road, garbage trucks, etc. It can also handle about half of the 10-minute drives I've seen without disengagements, and when it does disengage, it's rarely in a dangerous position. You can call that L2 if you want, but I feel that's disingenuous. It's way ahead of anything anybody else has except Waymo, with the difference that Tesla's system will drive anywhere in the US. You can say, sure, but you still need to watch it all the time. Yeah, but the number of interventions that you need to make is becoming less and less.

minwcnt5 6y ago

As far as I can tell all the videos have a licensed driver in the front left seat. I don't know how anyone can call that "full self driving", let alone ahead of other players.

tachyonbeam 6y ago
Erm, there's the word "beta" in the name. Of course you want to test it with someone in the driver's seat. They're ahead of other players because they have: 1. Hundreds of thousands of cars on the streets with FSD hardware 2. More data than anyone else 3. Their own neural network accelerator chip.
- justapassenger 6y ago
  Given this is tech site - can you please tell me there Tesla is storing this data? Video is very expensive to store and process, so if they have this massive data advantage, where are their data centers? I’d like to remind you as well that Google, aka waymo, had their nn accelerators for half a decade already.
  - tachyonbeam 6y ago
    I don't work at Tesla, so I don't know where they have their clusters, but there are obviously many cloud providers who would be more than happy to sell you as many petabytes of storage as you would like to buy. > I’d like to remind you as well that Google, aka Waymo, had their nn accelerators for half a decade already. That's true, but you need something mobile and low power for a car. I don't know if Waymo really has an equivalent there. Also, it's an advantage for Tesla to have their own regardless, because of cost. Tesla can probably make their FSD computer for $200. If you are a third party and you want to buy Waymo's solution, they will sell it to you for thousands.

justapassenger 6y ago

It still fails at very basic driving activities - it’s L2 system, and is advertised as Tesla as such (driver needs to be ready to takeover at any moment). Very good L2, but nowhere close to customer ready self driving.

tachyonbeam 6y ago
It's definitely bordering on Level 4 at this point. If you're claiming it's L2 then you simply have no idea what Tesla has been up to.
- justapassenger 6y ago
  They’re not even at level 3 yet. Level 3 allows you to take your eyes off the road, and car will notify you if there’s something it cannot deal with, in advance. Tesla FSD will kill you if you do that. As I said, it’s very impressive for level 2. But just because it can do more stuff that any other publicly available l2 system, it doesn’t make it self driving system. And Tesla knows that. They’ve quietly walked back most of their claims. They used to advertise it as level 5, that you can go to sleep. Now they advertise FSD as system that requires full human attention, and only missing thing is auto steer on city streets.
  - tachyonbeam 6y ago
    The beta has steering on city streets, it handles roundabouts, merging, changing lanes, construction work, deers crossing the road, garbage trucks, etc. It can also handle about half of the 10-minute drives I've seen without disengagements, and when it does disengage, it's rarely in a dangerous position. You can call that L2 if you want, but I feel that's disingenuous. It's way ahead of anything anybody else has except Waymo, with the difference that Tesla's system will drive anywhere in the US. You can say, sure, but you still need to watch it all the time. Yeah, but the number of interventions that you need to make is becoming less and less.