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Threatening to resign if conditions aren't met after previously publicly slandering your colleagues on Twitter is a resignation. What company would not be force

by 0xy 6y ago

Threatening to resign if conditions aren't met after previously publicly slandering your colleagues on Twitter is a resignation. What company would not be forced (essentially at gunpoint) to accept the resignation immediately? You cannot make those kinds of threats if you aren't prepared to follow through.

aliyfarah 6y ago
I've never heard of a company unilaterally enforcing a resignation with zero discussion. Whenever I've resigned HR always required an explicit, dated letter. Your statement that they were 'forced' to 'accept' her resignation at 'gunpoint' is all-round ludicrous. If they were really 'forced' to accept her resignation, what harm would informing her that they couldn't meet her demands do? It seems painfully obvious to me they didn't want to risk working it out and just used this as an opportunity to get rid of her.
- 0xy 6y ago
  >I will resign immediately if you don't do X, Y, Z. >We accept your resignation with immediate effect. That couldn't be clearer to me. Negotiation is bad in those cases because they'll always resent you (and such demands are only made when emotions are at boiling point). I've literally never given ultimatums to any employer, because that's like negotiating with a nuclear weapon equipped.
  - perryizgr8 6y ago
    > I've literally never given ultimatums to any employer, because that's like negotiating with a nuclear weapon equipped. This is the best strategy in most other relationships too. You must always leave room for reconciliation and/or compromise. Unless you really would like the relationship to be over.
- bite_tongue 6y ago
  I can’t imagine a leader that I would want to follow that buckles to ultimatums from their subordinates.
fegul 6y ago
"at gunpoint"? Seems like you're painting with some very broad strokes there. In any case, it seems there's more than meets the eye here. Her team INCLUDING her manager appear to be standing by her and they would likely know the details better than any of us. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
- 6sup6 6y ago
  Do you honestly believe that the journalists at mainstream publications would give platform to any googler that goes against her? If I would answer internally to certain threads saying that I think her being fired was completely justified, I would get a target on my back. That's why you won't find almost any voices against her and, the few ones you find, try to do it in a very "smooth way", always walking on eggshells. People that don't like Timnit know what her and her group would do to your career in tech, in the US.
  - tiktokdoc 6y ago
    You seem to imply you have knowledge that may be useful and opposite of the mainstreamed narrative but refuse to disclose anything tangible/useful even with the cover of anonymity. Care to expand?
  - tasubotadas 6y ago
    I think Damore is a perfect example of what you can expect if you gonna go against the justice-seekers.

by 0xy 6y ago

aliyfarah 6y ago

I've never heard of a company unilaterally enforcing a resignation with zero discussion. Whenever I've resigned HR always required an explicit, dated letter. Your statement that they were 'forced' to 'accept' her resignation at 'gunpoint' is all-round ludicrous. If they were really 'forced' to accept her resignation, what harm would informing her that they couldn't meet her demands do? It seems painfully obvious to me they didn't want to risk working it out and just used this as an opportunity to get rid of her.

0xy 6y ago
>I will resign immediately if you don't do X, Y, Z. >We accept your resignation with immediate effect. That couldn't be clearer to me. Negotiation is bad in those cases because they'll always resent you (and such demands are only made when emotions are at boiling point). I've literally never given ultimatums to any employer, because that's like negotiating with a nuclear weapon equipped.
- perryizgr8 6y ago
  > I've literally never given ultimatums to any employer, because that's like negotiating with a nuclear weapon equipped. This is the best strategy in most other relationships too. You must always leave room for reconciliation and/or compromise. Unless you really would like the relationship to be over.
bite_tongue 6y ago
I can’t imagine a leader that I would want to follow that buckles to ultimatums from their subordinates.

fegul 6y ago

"at gunpoint"? Seems like you're painting with some very broad strokes there. In any case, it seems there's more than meets the eye here. Her team INCLUDING her manager appear to be standing by her and they would likely know the details better than any of us. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

6sup6 6y ago
Do you honestly believe that the journalists at mainstream publications would give platform to any googler that goes against her? If I would answer internally to certain threads saying that I think her being fired was completely justified, I would get a target on my back. That's why you won't find almost any voices against her and, the few ones you find, try to do it in a very "smooth way", always walking on eggshells. People that don't like Timnit know what her and her group would do to your career in tech, in the US.
- tiktokdoc 6y ago
  You seem to imply you have knowledge that may be useful and opposite of the mainstreamed narrative but refuse to disclose anything tangible/useful even with the cover of anonymity. Care to expand?
- tasubotadas 6y ago
  I think Damore is a perfect example of what you can expect if you gonna go against the justice-seekers.