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> it's not unreasonable to expect a law officer to start the interaction in this way which is a manner that protects the officer the most This mentality is so

> it's not unreasonable to expect a law officer to start the interaction in this way which is a manner that protects the officer the most This mentality is so wrong to me. Yes there is danger associated with entering a home, but if you are not willing to take any risk, don't try to be a cop. Sure, if cops can reduce risk for themselves without increasing it for others, then by all mean they should, I'm not saying they should be daredevils. But this is different, this is just offloading all the risks from their side onto the citizens. A situation that could be minimal risk to everyone (because let's not pretend that people shooting at cops entering a home is a usual thing), is now high risk (and traumatic in all cases) for the citizen. I would even wager that the risk for themselves is getting increased over time because of people freaking out more and more seeing a cop with a gun in the US. And let's not pretend that cops in the US are well trained, they are so afraid and completly unable to de-escalate a situation that I would have 0 confidence in a cop pulling a gun on me in the US (not saying I would like it anywhere, but I would sure be less freaked out in Europe). This is just plain stupid, it's not a necessity of life like you paint it.

35fbe7d3d5b9 6y ago
> And let's not pretend that cops in the US are well trained, they are so afraid and completly unable to de-escalate a situation that they I would have 0 confidence in a cop pulling a gun on me in the US (not saying I would like it anywhere, but I would sure be less freaked out in Europe). > The officer who shot and killed Philando Castile during a 2016 traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minnesota,[...] clocked more than 100 hours of trainings on topics such as firearms usage, street survival, and the use of force—but had only attended two hours of deescalation training. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-clas...
tenebrisalietum 6y ago
> A situation that could be minimal risk to everyone (because let's not pretend that people shooting at cops entering a home is a usual thing), is now high risk (and traumatic in all cases) for the citizen. Well, if you are arresting a person, perhaps there's things that can be done, like waiting outside. How is it supposed to be handled when you have to get evidence? > I would sure be less freaked out in Europe I'm sure this is an oversimplification but AFAIK states in Europe either have more restrictions on gun ownership or a culture/mediascape/welfare-state that doesn't encourage the desperation/antagonism you see in the US.

35fbe7d3d5b9 6y ago

> And let's not pretend that cops in the US are well trained, they are so afraid and completly unable to de-escalate a situation that they I would have 0 confidence in a cop pulling a gun on me in the US (not saying I would like it anywhere, but I would sure be less freaked out in Europe). > The officer who shot and killed Philando Castile during a 2016 traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minnesota,[...] clocked more than 100 hours of trainings on topics such as firearms usage, street survival, and the use of force—but had only attended two hours of deescalation training. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-clas...

tenebrisalietum 6y ago

> A situation that could be minimal risk to everyone (because let's not pretend that people shooting at cops entering a home is a usual thing), is now high risk (and traumatic in all cases) for the citizen. Well, if you are arresting a person, perhaps there's things that can be done, like waiting outside. How is it supposed to be handled when you have to get evidence? > I would sure be less freaked out in Europe I'm sure this is an oversimplification but AFAIK states in Europe either have more restrictions on gun ownership or a culture/mediascape/welfare-state that doesn't encourage the desperation/antagonism you see in the US.