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Why did you decide to take the Police's story as truth? Do you actually believe that this person, a scientist with zero criminal history, decided to not answer

Why did you decide to take the Police's story as truth? Do you actually believe that this person, a scientist with zero criminal history, decided to not answer the door for 20 minutes as cops were banging on it and yelling? How does that make sense to you?

giantg2 6y ago
The article has statements from her in there. Did she deny at any point that she didn't wait 20 minutes? Seems odd that she wouldn't deny that part. But true, for all we know, none of the facts have been corroborated. To get the warrant, a judge would have to sign off on it with evidence meeting a probable cause standard. Also, this is the journalist's story, not necessarily one of either party.
- aspaceman 6y ago
  “Yes you see. It made sense for me to point a gun at a child because I was made to wait for 20 minutes” If I was a better writer, I’d adapt these things to prose and write up some Alice in Wonderland style story. People will go to the most ludicrous lengths to defend the most incredulous actions by police. Was the kid gonna throw his Tonka truck at him?
  - giantg2 6y ago
    I didn't see anything ludicrous in this article. The father was supposedly in the house too, so could be more than Tonka trucks.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    The officer in the video comes in with gun drawn, and points the gun upwards as he approaches the stairs. The "point a gun at a child" part comes in that her children where upstairs, but if the cops are looking out for hidden gunmen, why would they belief what she says.
sonotathrowaway 6y ago
My favorite piece of cop story-telling was the photograph the Philly FoP posted of a child they claimed was abandoned during recent protests, imploring citizens to help them help children such as them and that they weren’t their enemies. It turns out those police officers had been a violent mob that swarmed a woman’s car, ripped her out of it and gang assaulted her before arresting her (she was later released without charge). The child they broke the window and took him out before taking his picture and using it for propaganda. But they got their child for a photo op, so I suppose it was justified. FWIW, the caption was: “We are not your enemy,” the union said in the posts showing Young’s son. “We are the Thin Blue Line. And WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Anarchy.”
- giantg2 6y ago
  Not Abner Luoima?
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Yeah, that case was terrible[1]. The video is horrifying[2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/30/philadelphia-fop-posts-toddler/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/30/philadelphi... [2] https://www.npr.org/2020/10/30/929752605/mom-dragged-from-suv-beaten-by-officers-with-toddler-in-back-seat-filing-suit https://www.npr.org/2020/10/30/929752605/mom-dragged-from-su...
coredog64 6y ago
She does have a criminal history though. When she was a teacher, she had an affair with one of her students. After the breakup she distributed revenge porn and was charged with cyberstalking.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/florida-gov-says-he-fired-su-grad-for-cyberstalking-not-coronavirus-data-allegations.html https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/florida-gov-say... An affair whilst she was a PhD student at Florida State University with an adult undergraduate. Charges filed, no conviction, on stalking and revenge porn charges.
  - jkhdigital 6y ago
    Thanks for posting, but... why bother? Nobody here is interested in the facts of the case.

giantg2 6y ago

The article has statements from her in there. Did she deny at any point that she didn't wait 20 minutes? Seems odd that she wouldn't deny that part. But true, for all we know, none of the facts have been corroborated. To get the warrant, a judge would have to sign off on it with evidence meeting a probable cause standard. Also, this is the journalist's story, not necessarily one of either party.

aspaceman 6y ago
“Yes you see. It made sense for me to point a gun at a child because I was made to wait for 20 minutes” If I was a better writer, I’d adapt these things to prose and write up some Alice in Wonderland style story. People will go to the most ludicrous lengths to defend the most incredulous actions by police. Was the kid gonna throw his Tonka truck at him?
- giantg2 6y ago
  I didn't see anything ludicrous in this article. The father was supposedly in the house too, so could be more than Tonka trucks.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  The officer in the video comes in with gun drawn, and points the gun upwards as he approaches the stairs. The "point a gun at a child" part comes in that her children where upstairs, but if the cops are looking out for hidden gunmen, why would they belief what she says.

sonotathrowaway 6y ago

My favorite piece of cop story-telling was the photograph the Philly FoP posted of a child they claimed was abandoned during recent protests, imploring citizens to help them help children such as them and that they weren’t their enemies. It turns out those police officers had been a violent mob that swarmed a woman’s car, ripped her out of it and gang assaulted her before arresting her (she was later released without charge). The child they broke the window and took him out before taking his picture and using it for propaganda. But they got their child for a photo op, so I suppose it was justified. FWIW, the caption was: “We are not your enemy,” the union said in the posts showing Young’s son. “We are the Thin Blue Line. And WE ARE the only thing standing between Order and Anarchy.”

giantg2 6y ago
Not Abner Luoima?
heavyset_go 6y ago
Yeah, that case was terrible[1]. The video is horrifying[2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/30/philadelphia-fop-posts-toddler/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/30/philadelphi... [2] https://www.npr.org/2020/10/30/929752605/mom-dragged-from-suv-beaten-by-officers-with-toddler-in-back-seat-filing-suit https://www.npr.org/2020/10/30/929752605/mom-dragged-from-su...

coredog64 6y ago

She does have a criminal history though. When she was a teacher, she had an affair with one of her students. After the breakup she distributed revenge porn and was charged with cyberstalking.

dredmorbius 6y ago
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/florida-gov-says-he-fired-su-grad-for-cyberstalking-not-coronavirus-data-allegations.html https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/florida-gov-say... An affair whilst she was a PhD student at Florida State University with an adult undergraduate. Charges filed, no conviction, on stalking and revenge porn charges.
- jkhdigital 6y ago
  Thanks for posting, but... why bother? Nobody here is interested in the facts of the case.