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Who on the "right" is cool with this? Genuinely asking.

ojnabieoot 6y ago
The police (and their unions, and civilian voters with authoritarian pro-police ideologies) are a major political constituency on the right, one that Donald Trump had repeatedly pandered to (because he is a pro-police authoritarian). It is beyond naive to pretend “unaccountable police violence is good” isn’t a mainstream right-wing belief in 2020. > When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice.’ [Trump, July 2017] > If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won’t be so much, because the courts agree with us too — what’s going on in this country? [Trump, July 2016] > “Sometimes they grab one guy, ‘I’m a reporter! I’m a reporter!” ...they threw him aside like he was a little bag of popcorn.” [Trump, September 2020, clearly mocking the reporter in context] So the people on the “right” who are cool with this are basically every Republican official and about 70m Americans who voted for Trump last month. Seems like a lot of people!
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  Surprised to see your downvotes. The police were literally started in the late 1800s to protect capital and share the responsibility of cost across all people. (In the South, they were tightly related to patrolling for slaves, in the north they were predominantly helping wealthy merchants protect warehouses and other stores of wealth.) In the decades since, the police (and their unions) have had a long, long history of right wing action. The Portland Police Bureau (PPB) is known for their 'Red Squad', which was used in the 1900s to bust up unions, leftists, and people suspected of being communists. They regularly welcomed literal Nazis into their ranks in the 30s and 40s. The stories aren't unique to Portland either. A common piece of police iconography is a Punisher skull. Police with SS tattoos are not uncommon.
  - manfredo 6y ago
    Law enforcement had existed for millennia, not the last two centuries. Greek polis had nyctostrategoi (literally, "night officers") that patrolled and enforced laws as early as 500 BC. And Mesopotamian city states probably had police, too. Do people really believe that professional law enforcement didn't exist until 1800 AD?
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      > The police were literally started in the late 1800s to protect capital and share the responsibility of cost across all people. (In the South, they were tightly related to patrolling for slaves, in the north they were predominantly helping wealthy merchants protect warehouses and other stores of wealth.) This is a correct reading of the history of policing in America[1]. [1] https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/ https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/
      - manfredo 6y ago
        Policing in America dates back well beyond the 1800s (let alone the late 1800s), and has it's roots in the medieval system of sheriffs and their deputies. Organized police in the US date back to the early 1600s at the latest. In fact police existed in New York back when it was called New Amsterdam: https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/Early-police-in-the-United-States https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/Early-police-in-the-... I'm serious baffled as to how people got the idea that police were created in the 1800s. Do people really believe that cities like Boston and New York existed for centuries with nobody to enforce laws?
        Pfhreak 6y ago
        Night watches, tithings, posses, militias, and sheriffs are not the same thing as police departments. And even still, the vast majority of night watches were privately funded in America.
        6y ago
tshaddox 6y ago
The President referred to police brutality against journalists as a “beautiful sight.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-revels-in-beautiful-sight-of-law-enforcement-grabbing-journalist/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-revels-in-beautiful-sight... There are plenty of prominent Republicans explicitly supporting Kyle Rittenhouse (not a cop, but a similar event.) There are, of course, vastly more examples of explicit support for police brutality and other lawbreaking in opposition to protests.
- notmarkus 6y ago
  Oh true, I thought the parent comment was talking about this DOH event specifically.

The police (and their unions, and civilian voters with authoritarian pro-police ideologies) are a major political constituency on the right, one that Donald Trump had repeatedly pandered to (because he is a pro-police authoritarian). It is beyond naive to pretend “unaccountable police violence is good” isn’t a mainstream right-wing belief in 2020. > When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice.’ [Trump, July 2017] > If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won’t be so much, because the courts agree with us too — what’s going on in this country? [Trump, July 2016] > “Sometimes they grab one guy, ‘I’m a reporter! I’m a reporter!” ...they threw him aside like he was a little bag of popcorn.” [Trump, September 2020, clearly mocking the reporter in context] So the people on the “right” who are cool with this are basically every Republican official and about 70m Americans who voted for Trump last month. Seems like a lot of people!

Pfhreak 6y ago
Surprised to see your downvotes. The police were literally started in the late 1800s to protect capital and share the responsibility of cost across all people. (In the South, they were tightly related to patrolling for slaves, in the north they were predominantly helping wealthy merchants protect warehouses and other stores of wealth.) In the decades since, the police (and their unions) have had a long, long history of right wing action. The Portland Police Bureau (PPB) is known for their 'Red Squad', which was used in the 1900s to bust up unions, leftists, and people suspected of being communists. They regularly welcomed literal Nazis into their ranks in the 30s and 40s. The stories aren't unique to Portland either. A common piece of police iconography is a Punisher skull. Police with SS tattoos are not uncommon.
- manfredo 6y ago
  Law enforcement had existed for millennia, not the last two centuries. Greek polis had nyctostrategoi (literally, "night officers") that patrolled and enforced laws as early as 500 BC. And Mesopotamian city states probably had police, too. Do people really believe that professional law enforcement didn't exist until 1800 AD?
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    > The police were literally started in the late 1800s to protect capital and share the responsibility of cost across all people. (In the South, they were tightly related to patrolling for slaves, in the north they were predominantly helping wealthy merchants protect warehouses and other stores of wealth.) This is a correct reading of the history of policing in America[1]. [1] https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/ https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/
    - manfredo 6y ago
      Policing in America dates back well beyond the 1800s (let alone the late 1800s), and has it's roots in the medieval system of sheriffs and their deputies. Organized police in the US date back to the early 1600s at the latest. In fact police existed in New York back when it was called New Amsterdam: https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/Early-police-in-the-United-States https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/Early-police-in-the-... I'm serious baffled as to how people got the idea that police were created in the 1800s. Do people really believe that cities like Boston and New York existed for centuries with nobody to enforce laws?
      - Pfhreak 6y ago
        Night watches, tithings, posses, militias, and sheriffs are not the same thing as police departments. And even still, the vast majority of night watches were privately funded in America.
        6y ago

tshaddox 6y ago

The President referred to police brutality against journalists as a “beautiful sight.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-revels-in-beautiful-sight-of-law-enforcement-grabbing-journalist/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-revels-in-beautiful-sight... There are plenty of prominent Republicans explicitly supporting Kyle Rittenhouse (not a cop, but a similar event.) There are, of course, vastly more examples of explicit support for police brutality and other lawbreaking in opposition to protests.

notmarkus 6y ago
Oh true, I thought the parent comment was talking about this DOH event specifically.