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> they just never really liked the city. Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others l

> they just never really liked the city. Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others like you for many problems of their own doing. I left a year ago and I personally hope both San Francisco and all of California suffers fiscal collapse. The state grossly mistreats it's most productive citizens, when its those very citizens that fund the greatest chunk of the state's largesse. Hopefully enough major taxpayers will leave that it creates a fiscal crisis that can only be solved by increasing taxes further, driving more productive citizens out and sending the state government in a death spiral. You'd be bitter too if you paid several hundred thousand in state taxes in 2019 to a state whose politicians probably at least halved your net worth by using your company as their whipping boy for years just to make themselves look good.

BobbyJo 6y ago
I can echo this. I loved the bay when I first moved here 8 years ago, but the political dynamic of the area, and the ever growing drug/homelessness crisis said dynamic is completely unable to deal with, both have just worn my enthusiasm away.
- 8ytecoder 6y ago
  Not all tech employees wanted to live in SF and commute for 4 hours a day. Cities like Palo Alto and Mountain View had severe restrictions on building housing. So SF, Oakland and San Jose took the burden of housing the techies. Naturally people here got angry. But instead of focusing the anger in solving problems it was extremely common for people I meet to loudly complain about tech workers - bars, parties, nextdoor and side walks were full of hate messages. I left the city 3 years ago and I completely understand how frustrating it is.
- DSingularity 6y ago
  It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. These are human beings with souls and emotions. When they make us feel uncomfortable with their appearance or behavior we should remember they lead lives where they are likely suffering most of every day. We as a people have failed to create a society with space for these people to exist in peace, happiness, and good health. Now we can’t let ourselves conveniently overlook their humanity due to the inconvenience their state creates for us as a whole.
  - tomjen3 6y ago
    >It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. I had a coworker who visited sf. A homeless person threw a bottle of urine all over him. Do you think that made it more or less attractive? Seriously we all suffer, but most of us suffer in such a way that we don't make the world too much worse for others.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Wow. I didn't know the homeless were to blame for making the World much worse for others. Thanks for opening my eyes.
      - Konohamaru 6y ago
        Take your virtue signaling elsewhere, Prophet Amos. That incident was evidence that the city does not care about the quality of life of its residents (both the non-homeless, who are expected to suck it up and grin, and the homeless, who probably haven't been given any psychiatric treatment or any sort of intervention whatsoever by the state); it was not about blaming poor people.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        Wow. Thanks so much for teaching me how to live. I'm sorry that the city where you live is such a terrible place, I come from a poor country in Europe and homeless people here are treated freely by the State, because people taxes pay for public universal health care. And every neighborhood in every city has their own local homeless that are part of the living tissue of the place, not a nuisance (or something to bring up when you talk with others about what's wrong in your city, we use holes in the road and waste management). I understand that when you are a rich country, you can't afford to waste resources on it. I also understand that it's easier to blame a middle aged man like me for "virtue signaling" (I don't even know what that means, sorry) than apologizing. Homelessness as "a problem" is the symptom of a selfish society, more than a failure in city management. Anyway "that incident" is an anecdote, it doesn't prove anything, nobody knows if it's the truth, it's simply blaming the poor, disguised as caring about the city.
- callinOutLiars 6y ago
  It should be a federal crime for the police to send their homeless to other cities.
borepop 6y ago
>You'd be bitter too if you paid several hundred thousand in state taxes in 2019 If I ever pay several hundred thousand dollars in state tax in a single year I will be a millionaire many times over, with far more money than I will ever need, and will be grateful for my remarkably good fortune.
- yanderekko 6y ago
  You’ll be simultaneously grateful and also resentful towards the squandering of resources that you could direct towards better ends.
  - jbay808 6y ago
    If you want to put them towards better ends, donations are tax free.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      Voluntary bloodletting is not a treatment for parasite infestation.
seattle_spring 6y ago
Several hundred thousand state taxes in one year? That means you made at least 2.5m. What exactly are you complaining about?
- Cookingboy 6y ago
  >What exactly are you complaining about? I don't have an English degree or anything, but I'm pretty sure he's complaining about the several hundred thousands in state taxes.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    I think the point is: We would all likely gladly trade our current salaries for a salary that incurred "several hundred thousands" in state taxes. If I was paying that much in taxes, that would mean I was a multi-millionaire, and I would pay those taxes with a huge smile on my face and then enjoy my vacation in Fiji, without any resentment whatsoever.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      > If I was paying that much in taxes, that would mean I was a multi-millionaire, and I would pay those taxes with a huge smile on my face and then enjoy my vacation in Fiji, without any resentment whatsoever. Easy come, easy go. When you are productive enough to earn a salary of several millions of dollars, your tolerance for being extorted disproportionately because of your productivity might be different. You might also be upset at the wastefulness of those institutions and individuals who performed the extortion and spent your money unwisely.
g9yuayon 6y ago
I'm not sure. Most of us voted the same group of politicians year in and year out, right? It looks we lost check and balance years ago, but that's voters' choice, no?
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bitmunk 6y ago
> I personally hope both San Francisco and all of California suffers fiscal collapse. And you are surprised that the residents hate you? I dislike plenty of cities but ideating about their absolute collapse speaks a lot.
geebee 6y ago
"Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others like you for many problems of their own doing." Fair enough! Though, ahem, that might describe the feeling of Californians who have moved anywhere else lately.

BobbyJo 6y ago

I can echo this. I loved the bay when I first moved here 8 years ago, but the political dynamic of the area, and the ever growing drug/homelessness crisis said dynamic is completely unable to deal with, both have just worn my enthusiasm away.

8ytecoder 6y ago
Not all tech employees wanted to live in SF and commute for 4 hours a day. Cities like Palo Alto and Mountain View had severe restrictions on building housing. So SF, Oakland and San Jose took the burden of housing the techies. Naturally people here got angry. But instead of focusing the anger in solving problems it was extremely common for people I meet to loudly complain about tech workers - bars, parties, nextdoor and side walks were full of hate messages. I left the city 3 years ago and I completely understand how frustrating it is.
DSingularity 6y ago
It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. These are human beings with souls and emotions. When they make us feel uncomfortable with their appearance or behavior we should remember they lead lives where they are likely suffering most of every day. We as a people have failed to create a society with space for these people to exist in peace, happiness, and good health. Now we can’t let ourselves conveniently overlook their humanity due to the inconvenience their state creates for us as a whole.
- tomjen3 6y ago
  >It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. I had a coworker who visited sf. A homeless person threw a bottle of urine all over him. Do you think that made it more or less attractive? Seriously we all suffer, but most of us suffer in such a way that we don't make the world too much worse for others.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    Wow. I didn't know the homeless were to blame for making the World much worse for others. Thanks for opening my eyes.
    - Konohamaru 6y ago
      Take your virtue signaling elsewhere, Prophet Amos. That incident was evidence that the city does not care about the quality of life of its residents (both the non-homeless, who are expected to suck it up and grin, and the homeless, who probably haven't been given any psychiatric treatment or any sort of intervention whatsoever by the state); it was not about blaming poor people.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        Wow. Thanks so much for teaching me how to live. I'm sorry that the city where you live is such a terrible place, I come from a poor country in Europe and homeless people here are treated freely by the State, because people taxes pay for public universal health care. And every neighborhood in every city has their own local homeless that are part of the living tissue of the place, not a nuisance (or something to bring up when you talk with others about what's wrong in your city, we use holes in the road and waste management). I understand that when you are a rich country, you can't afford to waste resources on it. I also understand that it's easier to blame a middle aged man like me for "virtue signaling" (I don't even know what that means, sorry) than apologizing. Homelessness as "a problem" is the symptom of a selfish society, more than a failure in city management. Anyway "that incident" is an anecdote, it doesn't prove anything, nobody knows if it's the truth, it's simply blaming the poor, disguised as caring about the city.
callinOutLiars 6y ago
It should be a federal crime for the police to send their homeless to other cities.

borepop 6y ago

>You'd be bitter too if you paid several hundred thousand in state taxes in 2019 If I ever pay several hundred thousand dollars in state tax in a single year I will be a millionaire many times over, with far more money than I will ever need, and will be grateful for my remarkably good fortune.

yanderekko 6y ago
You’ll be simultaneously grateful and also resentful towards the squandering of resources that you could direct towards better ends.
- jbay808 6y ago
  If you want to put them towards better ends, donations are tax free.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    Voluntary bloodletting is not a treatment for parasite infestation.

seattle_spring 6y ago

Several hundred thousand state taxes in one year? That means you made at least 2.5m. What exactly are you complaining about?

Cookingboy 6y ago
>What exactly are you complaining about? I don't have an English degree or anything, but I'm pretty sure he's complaining about the several hundred thousands in state taxes.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  I think the point is: We would all likely gladly trade our current salaries for a salary that incurred "several hundred thousands" in state taxes. If I was paying that much in taxes, that would mean I was a multi-millionaire, and I would pay those taxes with a huge smile on my face and then enjoy my vacation in Fiji, without any resentment whatsoever.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > If I was paying that much in taxes, that would mean I was a multi-millionaire, and I would pay those taxes with a huge smile on my face and then enjoy my vacation in Fiji, without any resentment whatsoever. Easy come, easy go. When you are productive enough to earn a salary of several millions of dollars, your tolerance for being extorted disproportionately because of your productivity might be different. You might also be upset at the wastefulness of those institutions and individuals who performed the extortion and spent your money unwisely.

g9yuayon 6y ago

I'm not sure. Most of us voted the same group of politicians year in and year out, right? It looks we lost check and balance years ago, but that's voters' choice, no?

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bitmunk 6y ago

> I personally hope both San Francisco and all of California suffers fiscal collapse. And you are surprised that the residents hate you? I dislike plenty of cities but ideating about their absolute collapse speaks a lot.

geebee 6y ago

"Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others like you for many problems of their own doing." Fair enough! Though, ahem, that might describe the feeling of Californians who have moved anywhere else lately.