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There is a video, I didn't watch it, I was just taking her comment about guns at face value.

by ogre_codes 6y ago

giantg2 6y ago
There's only 30 seconds, but I couldn't see the guns pointed at anyone unless they were off-frame.
- Balgair 6y ago
  20 seconds in the video she posted here: https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665 https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665 Officer is clearly pointing a firearm upstairs at the family.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    It doesn't show people upstairs in that video. Even if they were, they were doing it to clear the corner and then lowering the weapon after identifying them as non-hostile (or no person at all since they aren't on video).
    - colanderman 6y ago
      Why did they need to do that? Why would they have any reason to believe anyone in the house was a violent threat? Come in with the damn guns holstered. It's some scientist's house, where her kids live. Not a fucking prepper compound.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Do you know if they have guns in the house or if they are violent? This is standard procedure if they were noncompliant. No harm was done, so I don't see why this is being discussed. If they had thought there was a chance of violence, they would have been much more forceful.
        elijaht 6y ago
        > No harm was done, so I don't see why this is being discussed Come on now. If you can't look at events this year and understand why people are frustrated/scared about a situation like this, then that's willful ignorance. Is it reasonable for LE to come into certain situations preemptively prepared for violence (gun draw in tight quarters)? I think yes. Is this one? Hell no
        giantg2 6y ago
        They're prepared to defend themselves because the individual was non-compliant for 20 minutes so they don't know if the people in the residence were setting up an ambush. I believe it's willful ignorance to ignore the facts of the case. Have you ever educated yourself on police training and tactics?
        Balgair 6y ago
        > This is standard procedure if they were noncompliant Laws differ greatly across the US as to this. I am unfamiliar with the laws and procedures of this particular jurisdiction though. > No harm was done Though everyone is different, pointing guns at kids is very likely far from harmless, no matter the firearm operator. As we have seen very much in 2020, law enforcement makes mistakes all the time (to be generous).
        giantg2 6y ago
        I know of no laws that would prevent clearing a house they way they did. If you have a mother acting illogically and emotionally, then I would say that is what would cause the harm. Kids will respond the way they think they are supposed to respond based on the response of others. If the mother remains calm and tells them everything was fine and normal, then there should be no harm.
        Balgair 6y ago
        > If the mother remains calm and tells them everything was fine and normal, then there should be no harm. Kids vary a lot, but I've not seen a kid that ever behaved in such a way.

There is a video, I didn't watch it, I was just taking her comment about guns at face value.

giantg2 6y ago

There's only 30 seconds, but I couldn't see the guns pointed at anyone unless they were off-frame.

Balgair 6y ago
20 seconds in the video she posted here: https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665 https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665 Officer is clearly pointing a firearm upstairs at the family.
- giantg2 6y ago
  It doesn't show people upstairs in that video. Even if they were, they were doing it to clear the corner and then lowering the weapon after identifying them as non-hostile (or no person at all since they aren't on video).
  - colanderman 6y ago
    Why did they need to do that? Why would they have any reason to believe anyone in the house was a violent threat? Come in with the damn guns holstered. It's some scientist's house, where her kids live. Not a fucking prepper compound.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Do you know if they have guns in the house or if they are violent? This is standard procedure if they were noncompliant. No harm was done, so I don't see why this is being discussed. If they had thought there was a chance of violence, they would have been much more forceful.
      - elijaht 6y ago
        > No harm was done, so I don't see why this is being discussed Come on now. If you can't look at events this year and understand why people are frustrated/scared about a situation like this, then that's willful ignorance. Is it reasonable for LE to come into certain situations preemptively prepared for violence (gun draw in tight quarters)? I think yes. Is this one? Hell no
        giantg2 6y ago
        They're prepared to defend themselves because the individual was non-compliant for 20 minutes so they don't know if the people in the residence were setting up an ambush. I believe it's willful ignorance to ignore the facts of the case. Have you ever educated yourself on police training and tactics?
      - Balgair 6y ago
        > This is standard procedure if they were noncompliant Laws differ greatly across the US as to this. I am unfamiliar with the laws and procedures of this particular jurisdiction though. > No harm was done Though everyone is different, pointing guns at kids is very likely far from harmless, no matter the firearm operator. As we have seen very much in 2020, law enforcement makes mistakes all the time (to be generous).
        giantg2 6y ago
        I know of no laws that would prevent clearing a house they way they did. If you have a mother acting illogically and emotionally, then I would say that is what would cause the harm. Kids will respond the way they think they are supposed to respond based on the response of others. If the mother remains calm and tells them everything was fine and normal, then there should be no harm.
        Balgair 6y ago
        > If the mother remains calm and tells them everything was fine and normal, then there should be no harm. Kids vary a lot, but I've not seen a kid that ever behaved in such a way.