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> "Ms. Jones refused to come to the door for 20 minutes and hung-up on agents. After several attempts and verbal notifications that law enforcement officers wer

> "Ms. Jones refused to come to the door for 20 minutes and hung-up on agents. After several attempts and verbal notifications that law enforcement officers were there to serve a legal search warrant, Ms. Jones eventually came to the door and allowed agents to enter," Plessinger said. "Ms. Jones' family was upstairs when agents made entry into the home." It’s weird too, because on one hand you have them being patient and restrained, on the other they decide to pull their guns out.

giantg2 6y ago
Perhaps they viewed her uncooperative nature as the residents preparing for conflict. It's possible they wouldn't have drawn their weapons if the residents complied immediately.
- Kye 6y ago
  It's possible they wouldn't have been so hesitant to open the door if cops didn't have a reputation for shooting people with no consequence. The people with actual power in this situation have the greater responsibility.
  - godelski 6y ago
    > The people with actual power in this situation have the greater responsibility. This cannot be stated enough. It seems in our general conversations that whenever there is a tribal component to the discussion that this responsibility shifts when it aligns or disaligns with your tribe. I've always been a firm believer that you can complain about those in other tribes, but it is your responsibility to hold those in your tribe to a higher bar. After all, you don't have a voice in the tribe you don't belong to and your tribe isn't perfect and can always seek to improve. And there should never be a question about a person in a position of power being held to a higher responsibility than an average person. No one should be getting a pass on this, inside or outside of your tribe.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    That's not really logical. If you think you'll get shot for no reason, then surely you would think that your chances of getting shot will go up with non-compliance.
    - Kye 6y ago
      If I think I'll get shot for no reason, then there's no point where I think I can do anything about my chances. There's just nothing you can do when your home is surrounded by people who likely have at least one person who's gone through "warrior training." Your options are pretty much comply and hope you don't get shot, fight, hide somewhere and hope you don't get shot when they storm in, or set up a camera streaming to someone you trust just in case you don't survive. It looks like she used those 20 minutes to go with the latter option.
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > If I think I'll get shot for no reason, then there's no point where I think I can do anything about my chances. Thats terrible judgment. If you think you might be shot for no reason at all, then it certainly doesn't improve your chances to start giving people reasons to shoot you.
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- frabbit 6y ago
  Relax. You have 20 seconds to comply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M
- craftinator 6y ago
  Perhaps preparing for conflict is the natural response to interacting with the police in the US, because that is what the police do before barging into your home and interacting with you. I'd lose my mind if some swine pointed a gun at my child. A message to police: don't do that, and you won't have a reason to be armed around me.
  - Mirioron 6y ago
    >I'd lose my mind if some swine pointed a gun at my child. I wonder if things like this are what honor duels were about in the past? A way to semi-legally call out someone personally with potentially severe consequences. Pointing a gun at a kid in a situation like this seems like it should be punishable by itself.
    - SauciestGNU 6y ago
      We need to codify a right to self defense against the police. Too many situations like this exist where the police place others in mortal danger. In a situation like this were the armed party not police it would be unquestionably legal for the victim to respond with deadly force. Police no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt and they deserve no special legal protections when they run around assaulting people with deadly weapons.
      - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        Of course they do. There are plenty of developing and underdeveloped countries where that’s how it works. Go see how well that works out for them.
        triceratops 6y ago
        > There are plenty of developing and underdeveloped countries where that’s how it works. My impression of developing countries was that police are vicious, brutal, and corrupt by default. As opposed to the US where bad cops are the exception. And they have very little oversight. Which countries are you talking about where that's not the case?
JPKab 6y ago
Again, this fits the pattern of half-truths and lying by omission that she uses to fuel her sensationalism. Her tweets conveniently leave out the fact that she ignored the police for 20 minutes and was uncooperative. My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1.
- godelski 6y ago
  I don't think being an irresponsible hack means you should get a gun pointed at you or your family. That's all I'm trying to say.
  - thepasswordis 6y ago
    What should happen when the police show up with a search warrant and you refuse to allow them into your house? Can you do this forever? Just ignore them and stay in your house forever, or at some point are they allowed to escalate the situation? (serious question)
- nl 6y ago
  > Again, this fits the pattern of half-truths and lying by omission that she uses to fuel her sensationalism. Her key claim (She refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."[1]) doesn't appear disputed by any of the counter narrative, which seems mostly about smearing her about a cyberstalking charge related to her personal life and questioning her credentials[1]. > My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1. Well that settles it? Although with ESRI crediting her work on the C19 dashboard[3] and Google finding her skills credible enough to work with her on the school opening dashboard[4] I'm think there is some evidence that perhaps your brother-in-law's "day 1 judgement" might have been rushed. [1] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/rebekah-jones-coronavirus-scientist-dashboard-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19/6483753002/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/rebekah-jo... [2] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/05/21/florida-health-department-manager-rebekah-jones-dismissal-becomes-political-covid-19-data-questions/5230770002/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/05/21/florida-he... [3] https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/blog/scientist-maps-florida-covid19-cases/ https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/blog/scientist-maps-flor... [4] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/data-analytics/former-florida-health-official-google-working-on-covid-19-dashboard-for-us-schools-5-details.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/data-analytics/former-...
slezakattack 6y ago
I felt the same way when I read they waited for 20 minutes. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be stated if the cops initially showed up with vests and guns drawn or if more showed up after failure to comply. If it was the former, I could understand the shock and cloudy judgment experienced by the scientist when you've realized your house is under siege.

giantg2 6y ago

Perhaps they viewed her uncooperative nature as the residents preparing for conflict. It's possible they wouldn't have drawn their weapons if the residents complied immediately.

Kye 6y ago
It's possible they wouldn't have been so hesitant to open the door if cops didn't have a reputation for shooting people with no consequence. The people with actual power in this situation have the greater responsibility.
- godelski 6y ago
  > The people with actual power in this situation have the greater responsibility. This cannot be stated enough. It seems in our general conversations that whenever there is a tribal component to the discussion that this responsibility shifts when it aligns or disaligns with your tribe. I've always been a firm believer that you can complain about those in other tribes, but it is your responsibility to hold those in your tribe to a higher bar. After all, you don't have a voice in the tribe you don't belong to and your tribe isn't perfect and can always seek to improve. And there should never be a question about a person in a position of power being held to a higher responsibility than an average person. No one should be getting a pass on this, inside or outside of your tribe.
- giantg2 6y ago
  That's not really logical. If you think you'll get shot for no reason, then surely you would think that your chances of getting shot will go up with non-compliance.
  - Kye 6y ago
    If I think I'll get shot for no reason, then there's no point where I think I can do anything about my chances. There's just nothing you can do when your home is surrounded by people who likely have at least one person who's gone through "warrior training." Your options are pretty much comply and hope you don't get shot, fight, hide somewhere and hope you don't get shot when they storm in, or set up a camera streaming to someone you trust just in case you don't survive. It looks like she used those 20 minutes to go with the latter option.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      > If I think I'll get shot for no reason, then there's no point where I think I can do anything about my chances. Thats terrible judgment. If you think you might be shot for no reason at all, then it certainly doesn't improve your chances to start giving people reasons to shoot you.
      - deleted 6y ago
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frabbit 6y ago
Relax. You have 20 seconds to comply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M
craftinator 6y ago
Perhaps preparing for conflict is the natural response to interacting with the police in the US, because that is what the police do before barging into your home and interacting with you. I'd lose my mind if some swine pointed a gun at my child. A message to police: don't do that, and you won't have a reason to be armed around me.
- Mirioron 6y ago
  >I'd lose my mind if some swine pointed a gun at my child. I wonder if things like this are what honor duels were about in the past? A way to semi-legally call out someone personally with potentially severe consequences. Pointing a gun at a kid in a situation like this seems like it should be punishable by itself.
  - SauciestGNU 6y ago
    We need to codify a right to self defense against the police. Too many situations like this exist where the police place others in mortal danger. In a situation like this were the armed party not police it would be unquestionably legal for the victim to respond with deadly force. Police no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt and they deserve no special legal protections when they run around assaulting people with deadly weapons.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      Of course they do. There are plenty of developing and underdeveloped countries where that’s how it works. Go see how well that works out for them.
      - triceratops 6y ago
        > There are plenty of developing and underdeveloped countries where that’s how it works. My impression of developing countries was that police are vicious, brutal, and corrupt by default. As opposed to the US where bad cops are the exception. And they have very little oversight. Which countries are you talking about where that's not the case?

JPKab 6y ago

Again, this fits the pattern of half-truths and lying by omission that she uses to fuel her sensationalism. Her tweets conveniently leave out the fact that she ignored the police for 20 minutes and was uncooperative. My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1.

godelski 6y ago
I don't think being an irresponsible hack means you should get a gun pointed at you or your family. That's all I'm trying to say.
- thepasswordis 6y ago
  What should happen when the police show up with a search warrant and you refuse to allow them into your house? Can you do this forever? Just ignore them and stay in your house forever, or at some point are they allowed to escalate the situation? (serious question)
nl 6y ago
> Again, this fits the pattern of half-truths and lying by omission that she uses to fuel her sensationalism. Her key claim (She refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."[1]) doesn't appear disputed by any of the counter narrative, which seems mostly about smearing her about a cyberstalking charge related to her personal life and questioning her credentials[1]. > My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1. Well that settles it? Although with ESRI crediting her work on the C19 dashboard[3] and Google finding her skills credible enough to work with her on the school opening dashboard[4] I'm think there is some evidence that perhaps your brother-in-law's "day 1 judgement" might have been rushed. [1] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/rebekah-jones-coronavirus-scientist-dashboard-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19/6483753002/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/rebekah-jo... [2] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/05/21/florida-health-department-manager-rebekah-jones-dismissal-becomes-political-covid-19-data-questions/5230770002/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/05/21/florida-he... [3] https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/blog/scientist-maps-florida-covid19-cases/ https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/blog/scientist-maps-flor... [4] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/data-analytics/former-florida-health-official-google-working-on-covid-19-dashboard-for-us-schools-5-details.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/data-analytics/former-...

slezakattack 6y ago

I felt the same way when I read they waited for 20 minutes. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be stated if the cops initially showed up with vests and guns drawn or if more showed up after failure to comply. If it was the former, I could understand the shock and cloudy judgment experienced by the scientist when you've realized your house is under siege.