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Step 1. Don't be a man Step 2. Don't be poor. 97% of First Class women and 87% of female crew members survived the sinking of the Titanic. https://www.anesi.

Step 1. Don't be a man Step 2. Don't be poor. 97% of First Class women and 87% of female crew members survived the sinking of the Titanic. https://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm https://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm

jacobush 6y ago
Step 1 don’t be poor. (Most poor died by default.) Step 2 don’t be a man.
- djitz 6y ago
  Step 3 steal a child’s clothing and hope it fits
- rossdavidh 6y ago
  According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.
  - 542354234235 6y ago
    > Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now. I doubt it would, and that is a good thing. The whole “women and children” thing was part of the whole “women are weak creatures that need to be looked after and protected like children” mentality.
    - Igelau 6y ago
      I thought it was more of a "protect the future" sentiment. It's probably shades of both.
    - rossdavidh 6y ago
      I doubt that very many of the women passengers on board the Titanic were objecting to the chauvinism inherent in "women and children first". In time of life-or-death crisis, if you don't have a "women and children first" ethic, you will most likely have an "every man for himself" attitude, in which case you will end up with a very male-favorable survival rate, as bigger and yes physically stronger men shove women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats.
      - 542354234235 6y ago
        > if you don't have a "women and children first" ethic, you will most likely have an "every man for himself" attitude The fact that it has to be women and children to you is exactly what I was talking about. That women were, and I guess to certain extent still are, put into a separate category of lesser capability. “Save the children” is a perfectly valid alternative to “every man for himself”. Or children and them parents first. There are multiple ways we could have been “noble” in the face of tragedy, and part of what shaped the idea we did end up with stemmed from a sexist paternalistic idea about adult women.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html according to this: Survival rate first class men and women: 62% Survival rate women, steerage: 49% So clearly, it was better to be rich than female.
    - rossdavidh 6y ago
      I see third class women 49% survival, first class men (excluding servants and crew) 32%, in the source you link to?
zapdrive 6y ago
Ooooh yes, the female privilege that feminists never talk about.
- Waterluvian 6y ago
  Actual feminists don't want to be given preferential treatment. They just want a level playing field.
  - alexitorg 6y ago
    In practice feminism seems (to me) to advocate for women, not for equality, which is fine by me, women needed advocating for. I just don't buy this equality argument.
  - monsieurbanana 6y ago
    I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather than equality.
    - toxik 6y ago
      I mean let’s be honest, the name is kind of saying something else too. When I first heard of feminism as a teenager, I was opposed to it simply because it sounded like sexism. I was quickly told off by the adults in the room, with zero discussion of the subject. You _should_ be a feminist, basically.
    - Waterluvian 6y ago
      It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.
      - monsieurbanana 6y ago
spicyramen 6y ago
2020 Trans people...
cambalache 6y ago
It reminds me of today's Twitter. Faster way to get relevance is to be a white, rich, western woman. Most people dont like to be reminded of that inconvenient truth so let's leave Bill Burr to say it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMmiltdp1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMmiltdp1U . As the famous saying goes: “If you are going to tell people the truth, you better be funny or else they’ll kill you.”

jacobush 6y ago

Step 1 don’t be poor. (Most poor died by default.) Step 2 don’t be a man.

djitz 6y ago
Step 3 steal a child’s clothing and hope it fits
rossdavidh 6y ago
According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.
- 542354234235 6y ago
  > Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now. I doubt it would, and that is a good thing. The whole “women and children” thing was part of the whole “women are weak creatures that need to be looked after and protected like children” mentality.
  - Igelau 6y ago
    I thought it was more of a "protect the future" sentiment. It's probably shades of both.
  - rossdavidh 6y ago
    I doubt that very many of the women passengers on board the Titanic were objecting to the chauvinism inherent in "women and children first". In time of life-or-death crisis, if you don't have a "women and children first" ethic, you will most likely have an "every man for himself" attitude, in which case you will end up with a very male-favorable survival rate, as bigger and yes physically stronger men shove women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats.
    - 542354234235 6y ago
      > if you don't have a "women and children first" ethic, you will most likely have an "every man for himself" attitude The fact that it has to be women and children to you is exactly what I was talking about. That women were, and I guess to certain extent still are, put into a separate category of lesser capability. “Save the children” is a perfectly valid alternative to “every man for himself”. Or children and them parents first. There are multiple ways we could have been “noble” in the face of tragedy, and part of what shaped the idea we did end up with stemmed from a sexist paternalistic idea about adult women.
- jacobush 6y ago
  http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html according to this: Survival rate first class men and women: 62% Survival rate women, steerage: 49% So clearly, it was better to be rich than female.
  - rossdavidh 6y ago
    I see third class women 49% survival, first class men (excluding servants and crew) 32%, in the source you link to?

zapdrive 6y ago

Ooooh yes, the female privilege that feminists never talk about.

Waterluvian 6y ago
Actual feminists don't want to be given preferential treatment. They just want a level playing field.
- alexitorg 6y ago
  In practice feminism seems (to me) to advocate for women, not for equality, which is fine by me, women needed advocating for. I just don't buy this equality argument.
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather than equality.
  - toxik 6y ago
    I mean let’s be honest, the name is kind of saying something else too. When I first heard of feminism as a teenager, I was opposed to it simply because it sounded like sexism. I was quickly told off by the adults in the room, with zero discussion of the subject. You _should_ be a feminist, basically.
  - Waterluvian 6y ago
    It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.
    - monsieurbanana 6y ago

spicyramen 6y ago

2020 Trans people...

cambalache 6y ago

It reminds me of today's Twitter. Faster way to get relevance is to be a white, rich, western woman. Most people dont like to be reminded of that inconvenient truth so let's leave Bill Burr to say it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMmiltdp1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMmiltdp1U . As the famous saying goes: “If you are going to tell people the truth, you better be funny or else they’ll kill you.”