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I just donated to her org, and you should too. https://floridacovidaction.com/donate/ https://floridacovidaction.com/donate/

giantg2 6y ago
Why? We have no evidence of this being either lawful or unlawful. I guess people just want to downvote my question without an answer.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  The default is lawful until proven otherwise.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    And that goes for the police who executed the search warrant - lawful until proven otherwise. The warrant is issued by a judge meeting a probable cause standard.
    - Aperocky 6y ago
      I didn't say the warrant was not lawful. But I have the right to give money to whoever I want until it is shown to be unlawful.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        You have the right to give money to anyone whether their actions were lawful or not. I was just wondering why people jump to give money to people they never met, based on 30 seconds of video and a short article. Maybe there's more to it, like what was listed on the search warrant.
    - tartoran 6y ago
      And pointing a gun at her children is just dandy, isn’t it? Cops training and behavior is one huge problem in the US. The other part of the problem is people like you, people who justify and normalize their violent behavior. If i were to choose what’s worse I’d say it is actually not the cops who are trained poorly, it’s people like you whose thinking is distorted towards violence
      - giantg2 6y ago
        They were clearing a corner (assuming the kids were off-frame since the video didn't show it). I see no problem with what was presented in the article/video. Training and behavior is a major problem, but I don't see it in this case. If you had any training, then you would have understood there was no abuse in what was presented.
        tartoran 6y ago
        You have to clear a corner of your conscience and learn some empathy (fake it till you make it). If it ever happened to you and your family you’d be pissed and wouldn’t waste your energy in trying to justify their violent behavior
        giantg2 6y ago
        Lol I have been the victim of police misconduct and filed a (successful) complaint against them. Maybe if you took some training and educated yourself on law and law enforcement, you would have some empathy for both sides instead of just one. There was no violence here.
        tartoran 6y ago
        Soft violence or symbolic violence is what I was referring to here. It’s menant to humiliate, to subjugate, to impose unearned reapect and law enforcement abuse it all the friggin time. Just once in a while is there is a honest and really respectful cop that not cooperating with doesn’t even appear like an option. But when cops bark orders and you’re supposed to say yes sir, i’ll do whatever you please because you’re authority, that’s when we’re dealing with soft violence
        heavyset_go 6y ago
        If I pointed a gun at someone that would, at the very least, be assault with a deadly weapon. It's definitely violence.
- JamisonM 6y ago
  Why? Because regardless of the legalities here she is doing good work in a state that is committed to hiding the truth from residents.
  - cpncrunch 6y ago
    Nobody was hiding anything as far as I can see. The state epidemiologist asked her department to temporarily remove one data field from the public report while they verified some data. Then, they asked it to be re-enabled a few hours later. From what I can tell, Rebekah's supervisor didn't mention the reason for removing the data, he just told her to remove it. She told him it was "the wrong call", but did it anyway. He then told her to add the data back a few hours later, which she did. So, it looks like she got the wrong end of the stick about deleting data, and was then fired for insubordination. Apparently she has also has a criminal history including battery against a police officer and sexual cyberstalking of her ex-boyfriend. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-heal... https://www.lsureveille.com/daily/crime-briefs-student-charged-with-three-counts-of-drug-possession/article_14076f2e-3368-11e6-a129-2717ab6bb2be.html https://www.lsureveille.com/daily/crime-briefs-student-charg... https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/05/20/rebekah-jones-firing-is-the-covid-clickbait-the-media-dreams-of-but-its-all-fake/ https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/05/20/rebekah-jones-firi...
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Looks like you did more research than the original article.
      - cpncrunch 6y ago
        Just a few mins of googling to try to dig up the facts.
    - danShumway 6y ago
      > Apparently she has also has a criminal history including battery against a police officer and sexual cyberstalking of her ex-boyfriend. Please do not post off-topic and irrelevant information onto existing threads, you run the risk of derailing the current conversation. Her criminal history has nothing to do with whether or not this specific warrant, raid, and overall government response was justified.
- tfehring 6y ago
  Her actions seem to have been ethical and important regardless of whether they were lawful.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    I think the CEH exam would disagree with unauthorized access being ethical. What was her important action directly linked to this?
    - tfehring 6y ago
      Reporting accurate data on the current pandemic when government officials couldn't be trusted to do so. On the balance of evidence I don't think it's that likely that she was responsible for the unauthorized access, and even if she did I don't think the ethics would be as cut and dried as you're making them out to be regardless of what CEH says. What if that message saved lives? What if, as a hypothetical/counterfactual, it had saved thousands of lives?
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Ends justifying the means is generally not considered sound ethical thinking. She may feel it's her moral responsibility, but it still wouldn't be ethical.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Ends justifying the means is generally not considered sound ethical thinking. Sure it is; what else could justify means? It is often recognized that there is a tendency to make arguments about ends justifying means when the benefits realistically foreseeable from an action are not such that they should be seen as justifying the particular means, though.
        giantg2 6y ago
        It would be better if you call it by its name then - utilitarianism. The choice with the greatest good or least harm. This is different from the ends justifying the means, which is colloquially used to justify bad actions.

giantg2 6y ago

Why? We have no evidence of this being either lawful or unlawful. I guess people just want to downvote my question without an answer.

Aperocky 6y ago
The default is lawful until proven otherwise.
- giantg2 6y ago
  And that goes for the police who executed the search warrant - lawful until proven otherwise. The warrant is issued by a judge meeting a probable cause standard.
  - Aperocky 6y ago
    I didn't say the warrant was not lawful. But I have the right to give money to whoever I want until it is shown to be unlawful.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      You have the right to give money to anyone whether their actions were lawful or not. I was just wondering why people jump to give money to people they never met, based on 30 seconds of video and a short article. Maybe there's more to it, like what was listed on the search warrant.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    And pointing a gun at her children is just dandy, isn’t it? Cops training and behavior is one huge problem in the US. The other part of the problem is people like you, people who justify and normalize their violent behavior. If i were to choose what’s worse I’d say it is actually not the cops who are trained poorly, it’s people like you whose thinking is distorted towards violence
    - giantg2 6y ago
      They were clearing a corner (assuming the kids were off-frame since the video didn't show it). I see no problem with what was presented in the article/video. Training and behavior is a major problem, but I don't see it in this case. If you had any training, then you would have understood there was no abuse in what was presented.
      - tartoran 6y ago
        You have to clear a corner of your conscience and learn some empathy (fake it till you make it). If it ever happened to you and your family you’d be pissed and wouldn’t waste your energy in trying to justify their violent behavior
        giantg2 6y ago
        Lol I have been the victim of police misconduct and filed a (successful) complaint against them. Maybe if you took some training and educated yourself on law and law enforcement, you would have some empathy for both sides instead of just one. There was no violence here.
        tartoran 6y ago
        Soft violence or symbolic violence is what I was referring to here. It’s menant to humiliate, to subjugate, to impose unearned reapect and law enforcement abuse it all the friggin time. Just once in a while is there is a honest and really respectful cop that not cooperating with doesn’t even appear like an option. But when cops bark orders and you’re supposed to say yes sir, i’ll do whatever you please because you’re authority, that’s when we’re dealing with soft violence
        heavyset_go 6y ago
        If I pointed a gun at someone that would, at the very least, be assault with a deadly weapon. It's definitely violence.
JamisonM 6y ago
Why? Because regardless of the legalities here she is doing good work in a state that is committed to hiding the truth from residents.
- cpncrunch 6y ago
  Nobody was hiding anything as far as I can see. The state epidemiologist asked her department to temporarily remove one data field from the public report while they verified some data. Then, they asked it to be re-enabled a few hours later. From what I can tell, Rebekah's supervisor didn't mention the reason for removing the data, he just told her to remove it. She told him it was "the wrong call", but did it anyway. He then told her to add the data back a few hours later, which she did. So, it looks like she got the wrong end of the stick about deleting data, and was then fired for insubordination. Apparently she has also has a criminal history including battery against a police officer and sexual cyberstalking of her ex-boyfriend. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-heal... https://www.lsureveille.com/daily/crime-briefs-student-charged-with-three-counts-of-drug-possession/article_14076f2e-3368-11e6-a129-2717ab6bb2be.html https://www.lsureveille.com/daily/crime-briefs-student-charg... https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/05/20/rebekah-jones-firing-is-the-covid-clickbait-the-media-dreams-of-but-its-all-fake/ https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/05/20/rebekah-jones-firi...
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Looks like you did more research than the original article.
    - cpncrunch 6y ago
      Just a few mins of googling to try to dig up the facts.
  - danShumway 6y ago
    > Apparently she has also has a criminal history including battery against a police officer and sexual cyberstalking of her ex-boyfriend. Please do not post off-topic and irrelevant information onto existing threads, you run the risk of derailing the current conversation. Her criminal history has nothing to do with whether or not this specific warrant, raid, and overall government response was justified.
tfehring 6y ago
Her actions seem to have been ethical and important regardless of whether they were lawful.
- giantg2 6y ago
  I think the CEH exam would disagree with unauthorized access being ethical. What was her important action directly linked to this?
  - tfehring 6y ago
    Reporting accurate data on the current pandemic when government officials couldn't be trusted to do so. On the balance of evidence I don't think it's that likely that she was responsible for the unauthorized access, and even if she did I don't think the ethics would be as cut and dried as you're making them out to be regardless of what CEH says. What if that message saved lives? What if, as a hypothetical/counterfactual, it had saved thousands of lives?
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Ends justifying the means is generally not considered sound ethical thinking. She may feel it's her moral responsibility, but it still wouldn't be ethical.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Ends justifying the means is generally not considered sound ethical thinking. Sure it is; what else could justify means? It is often recognized that there is a tendency to make arguments about ends justifying means when the benefits realistically foreseeable from an action are not such that they should be seen as justifying the particular means, though.
        giantg2 6y ago
        It would be better if you call it by its name then - utilitarianism. The choice with the greatest good or least harm. This is different from the ends justifying the means, which is colloquially used to justify bad actions.