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"including no company funds any part of it, including paying people to work on it(?!)" JetBrains open source licenses have a similar restriction https://www.je

"including no company funds any part of it, including paying people to work on it(?!)" JetBrains open source licenses have a similar restriction https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ > Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software

musicale 6y ago
> Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software Jetbrains should really take it to the next level and require all developers on your open source project to provide up-to-date proof of unemployment benefits.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I think you’re misunderstanding - you can have a job just the project you use JetBrains products for can’t be your job or anyone’s job.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    FYI, you're replying to sarcasm.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Seriously. Better better be careful about whose pull requests you accept.
jrochkind1 6y ago
I have worked on many many open source projects. I don't think I have ever worked on any where there wasn't a single person writing code while getting paid by their employer. Is that enough to disqualify you from JetBrains criteria, do you think? In email from travis support it was expressed as: > Project must not be sponsored by a commercial company or organization (monetary or with employees paid to work on the project) To me, that seems to say if someone commits code while on the clock, that is employees paid to work on the project. That definitely disqualifies a huge number of open source projects, probably the majority, right?
- p1necone 6y ago
  I agree. Any open source project that's reasonably widely used is going to have some team from some commercial company submit a PR to fix some issue they're having at some point.
- s-lambert 6y ago
  If a company pays you to help maintain X then you can't use JetBrains but if your company lets you work on open source software, but not anything specific, during work hours then maybe you can still use it?
- Symbiote 6y ago
  We were denied a renewal of JetBrains' software because we pay several people to work on our open source software. We then realised we didn't need the license, as the community edition has everything we need.
  - gwd 6y ago
    Our project is definitely open-source, but has an LF sub-project with a pretty decent amount of funding. We've been playing with the gitlab functionality, and was thinking it would be good to support a fellow open-source project financially, since we can. But to move to one of the licensing models on their pricing page requires us to start to pay per-user. How many seats should we buy? I have no idea. Right now, if someone who's given one or two drive-by patches wants their own space on the project, we just give it to them. If it cost us an extra $50/year (or $240/year or $1200/year depending on our tier) for such users, what's the cut-off for who gets to be part of the project? It just changes the whole calculus.
- barkingcat 6y ago
  Why would this be a bad thing? Jetbrains is not a charity, and their free open source license is in order to support people who can't otherwise pay for a license, not to make another company's balance sheet look better on their dime.
  - 6y ago
mschuster91 6y ago
For what it's worth their flagship IntelliJ is, for personal use, only ~23€ a month, and phpStorm ~9€ a month. Projects which have a sponsoring company or consulting/training/paid-tier income around them can afford to pay that.
- Liquid_Fire 6y ago
  The personal use license can't be paid for by your employer though. (Though if a company is paying you for the OSS work, you can probably afford a personal license) > A Personal license is an option for private individuals who purchase a license with their own funds, and solely for their own use. Personal licenses are not to be purchased, refunded or in any way financed by companies. https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207241075-What-is-the-difference-between-the-commercial-and-personal-licenses- https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207241075-What...

musicale 6y ago

> Your project is NOT sponsored by a commercial company or organization and does NOT have paid employees > Your project does NOT provide commercial services (such as consulting or training) around the software, and does NOT distribute paid versions of the software Jetbrains should really take it to the next level and require all developers on your open source project to provide up-to-date proof of unemployment benefits.

chrisseaton 6y ago
I think you’re misunderstanding - you can have a job just the project you use JetBrains products for can’t be your job or anyone’s job.
- klyrs 6y ago
  FYI, you're replying to sarcasm.
ineedasername 6y ago
Seriously. Better better be careful about whose pull requests you accept.

jrochkind1 6y ago

I have worked on many many open source projects. I don't think I have ever worked on any where there wasn't a single person writing code while getting paid by their employer. Is that enough to disqualify you from JetBrains criteria, do you think? In email from travis support it was expressed as: > Project must not be sponsored by a commercial company or organization (monetary or with employees paid to work on the project) To me, that seems to say if someone commits code while on the clock, that is employees paid to work on the project. That definitely disqualifies a huge number of open source projects, probably the majority, right?

p1necone 6y ago
I agree. Any open source project that's reasonably widely used is going to have some team from some commercial company submit a PR to fix some issue they're having at some point.
s-lambert 6y ago
If a company pays you to help maintain X then you can't use JetBrains but if your company lets you work on open source software, but not anything specific, during work hours then maybe you can still use it?
Symbiote 6y ago
We were denied a renewal of JetBrains' software because we pay several people to work on our open source software. We then realised we didn't need the license, as the community edition has everything we need.
- gwd 6y ago
  Our project is definitely open-source, but has an LF sub-project with a pretty decent amount of funding. We've been playing with the gitlab functionality, and was thinking it would be good to support a fellow open-source project financially, since we can. But to move to one of the licensing models on their pricing page requires us to start to pay per-user. How many seats should we buy? I have no idea. Right now, if someone who's given one or two drive-by patches wants their own space on the project, we just give it to them. If it cost us an extra $50/year (or $240/year or $1200/year depending on our tier) for such users, what's the cut-off for who gets to be part of the project? It just changes the whole calculus.
barkingcat 6y ago
Why would this be a bad thing? Jetbrains is not a charity, and their free open source license is in order to support people who can't otherwise pay for a license, not to make another company's balance sheet look better on their dime.
- 6y ago

mschuster91 6y ago

For what it's worth their flagship IntelliJ is, for personal use, only ~23€ a month, and phpStorm ~9€ a month. Projects which have a sponsoring company or consulting/training/paid-tier income around them can afford to pay that.

Liquid_Fire 6y ago
The personal use license can't be paid for by your employer though. (Though if a company is paying you for the OSS work, you can probably afford a personal license) > A Personal license is an option for private individuals who purchase a license with their own funds, and solely for their own use. Personal licenses are not to be purchased, refunded or in any way financed by companies. https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207241075-What-is-the-difference-between-the-commercial-and-personal-licenses- https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207241075-What...