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> Just to emphasize your point, 30% take is relatively small in the retail world. The internet already provides a nearly free distribution medium for software

> Just to emphasize your point, 30% take is relatively small in the retail world. The internet already provides a nearly free distribution medium for software application - so even paying a 5% markup to an unnecessary middleman is just outrageous. The app store only exists so that Apple (and others) can gauge even more money from developers, who ultimately pass on the cost to us customers.

jsjohnst 6y ago
And how does that dispute anything I said? I wasn’t making a claim that the AppStore commission is warranted or not, I was speaking to what retail stores charge. I get it, you think Apple is out of line, but maybe reply to someone who is claiming it’s justified rather than pointing your vitriol towards me?
- webmobdev 6y ago
  I was bringing the debate back to what it was about, not "spewing vitriol" at you.
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    Wouldn’t you say your post is “bitter criticism” of Apple/the AppStore? If so, then welcome to learning the definition of vitriol! If not, then other help than I can provide is needed.
    - webmobdev 6y ago
      Yes, it is a "bitter criticism" of Apple. It is not a "bitter criticism" of you or your beliefs.
      - jsjohnst 6y ago
        > Yes, it is a "bitter criticism" of Apple Exactly what I said it was > It is not a "bitter criticism" of you or your beliefs. Which I never said it was, I rather said you were replying to me with your vitriol for Apple.
        webmobdev 6y ago
        This doesn't add to the debate and detracts from it. To come back to it - we were not discussing whether it is fair for Apple to charge how much ever percentage it does on its app store vs Amazon (or anyone similar). The crux of the matter is that neither Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline supermarket restricts anyone from buying a product directly from the producer / manufacture or from elsewhere. Apple does precisely that with its app store on ios (and soon will on macOS too). By depriving us the freedom of buying from the developer (or others) directly, Apple not only violates our privacy but also raises the cost of an app for everyone (by unnecessarily charging the developer an annual recurring fee and by charging a commission on sale).
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > The crux of the matter is that neither Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline supermarket restricts anyone from buying a product directly from the producer / manufacture or from elsewhere. That’s not true either. Just because you aren’t away of it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Trust me, the retail world has lots of dark corners that you learn when you have to deal with it directly.
donkeyd 6y ago
The web also allows any producer of physical products to distribute directly to consumers, doesn't it? So why is it OK for Amazon to get a fee, or any physical retailer? Aren't they unnecessary middle men too?
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > So why is it OK for Amazon to get a fee, or any physical retailer? Aren't they unnecessary middle men too? Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline super market doesn't prevent either the manufacturer to sell directly to the consumer, or me as a consumer to directly buy from the producer / manufacturer. Apple does precisely that with its restrictive app store on ios (and soon will on the macOS too), denying the buyer the right to buy an app directly from the developer and avoid the unnecessary burden of the Apple Tax. Due to this same restriction it is also able to charge the developer an annual recurring fee, again unnecessarily raising the total cost of an application for the user.

jsjohnst 6y ago

And how does that dispute anything I said? I wasn’t making a claim that the AppStore commission is warranted or not, I was speaking to what retail stores charge. I get it, you think Apple is out of line, but maybe reply to someone who is claiming it’s justified rather than pointing your vitriol towards me?

webmobdev 6y ago
I was bringing the debate back to what it was about, not "spewing vitriol" at you.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  Wouldn’t you say your post is “bitter criticism” of Apple/the AppStore? If so, then welcome to learning the definition of vitriol! If not, then other help than I can provide is needed.
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    Yes, it is a "bitter criticism" of Apple. It is not a "bitter criticism" of you or your beliefs.
    - jsjohnst 6y ago
      > Yes, it is a "bitter criticism" of Apple Exactly what I said it was > It is not a "bitter criticism" of you or your beliefs. Which I never said it was, I rather said you were replying to me with your vitriol for Apple.
      - webmobdev 6y ago
        This doesn't add to the debate and detracts from it. To come back to it - we were not discussing whether it is fair for Apple to charge how much ever percentage it does on its app store vs Amazon (or anyone similar). The crux of the matter is that neither Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline supermarket restricts anyone from buying a product directly from the producer / manufacture or from elsewhere. Apple does precisely that with its app store on ios (and soon will on macOS too). By depriving us the freedom of buying from the developer (or others) directly, Apple not only violates our privacy but also raises the cost of an app for everyone (by unnecessarily charging the developer an annual recurring fee and by charging a commission on sale).
        jsjohnst 6y ago
        > The crux of the matter is that neither Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline supermarket restricts anyone from buying a product directly from the producer / manufacture or from elsewhere. That’s not true either. Just because you aren’t away of it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Trust me, the retail world has lots of dark corners that you learn when you have to deal with it directly.

donkeyd 6y ago

The web also allows any producer of physical products to distribute directly to consumers, doesn't it? So why is it OK for Amazon to get a fee, or any physical retailer? Aren't they unnecessary middle men too?

webmobdev 6y ago
> So why is it OK for Amazon to get a fee, or any physical retailer? Aren't they unnecessary middle men too? Amazon or Walmart or any other online or offline super market doesn't prevent either the manufacturer to sell directly to the consumer, or me as a consumer to directly buy from the producer / manufacturer. Apple does precisely that with its restrictive app store on ios (and soon will on the macOS too), denying the buyer the right to buy an app directly from the developer and avoid the unnecessary burden of the Apple Tax. Due to this same restriction it is also able to charge the developer an annual recurring fee, again unnecessarily raising the total cost of an application for the user.