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Just wait. Biden is going to reverse a lot of this stuff.

by sigzero 6y ago

seattletech 6y ago
Which will end up at SCOTUS and we will see the Chevron doctrine overturned
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Which is an acceptable risk (and could happen regardless of policies challenging pollution prevention), as long as the temporary executive order (or agency policy) forces industry changes in the interim that can’t or won’t be reversed post SCOTUS decision. Observe how legacy automakers have dropped their support for EPA efforts to remove California CARB authority, and have gotten onboard with tighter emission standards now that the new administration is onboarding [1] [2]. This is not altruism, but “reading the room.” Regulation need not stick long term to be effective. Are automakers going to retool back to combustion vehicle production from EV production as we approach deadlines for combustion vehicle bans if those bans evaporate? Coal plants rebuilt? Electric busses scrapped for diesel buses? Unlikely. The capital will have already been committed, and domain expertise retired. The ruling then rings hollow. This is not to discount the challenges we face with the current SCOTUS composition, but to triage and prioritize climate change efforts until the composition can be improved. “Technical debt”, if you will. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/climate/general-motors-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/climate/general-motors-tr... [2] https://carbuzz.com/news/nissans-bold-decision-was-inspired-by-gm https://carbuzz.com/news/nissans-bold-decision-was-inspired-...
Pfhreak 6y ago
I think that maybe I'm too much of a leftist to think that Biden will accomplish any meaningful change. Plenty of exploratory committees, investigations, and deep dives. But fundamentally, I don't expect him to do much beyond maintain the status quo that centrist dems like Obama and Clinton have been pushing for decades. He'll put out a few executive orders and maybe get us back into a climate accord, but he's still deeply a capitalist and fossil fuel backing candidate at heart.

Just wait. Biden is going to reverse a lot of this stuff.

seattletech 6y ago

Which will end up at SCOTUS and we will see the Chevron doctrine overturned

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Which is an acceptable risk (and could happen regardless of policies challenging pollution prevention), as long as the temporary executive order (or agency policy) forces industry changes in the interim that can’t or won’t be reversed post SCOTUS decision. Observe how legacy automakers have dropped their support for EPA efforts to remove California CARB authority, and have gotten onboard with tighter emission standards now that the new administration is onboarding [1] [2]. This is not altruism, but “reading the room.” Regulation need not stick long term to be effective. Are automakers going to retool back to combustion vehicle production from EV production as we approach deadlines for combustion vehicle bans if those bans evaporate? Coal plants rebuilt? Electric busses scrapped for diesel buses? Unlikely. The capital will have already been committed, and domain expertise retired. The ruling then rings hollow. This is not to discount the challenges we face with the current SCOTUS composition, but to triage and prioritize climate change efforts until the composition can be improved. “Technical debt”, if you will. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/climate/general-motors-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/climate/general-motors-tr... [2] https://carbuzz.com/news/nissans-bold-decision-was-inspired-by-gm https://carbuzz.com/news/nissans-bold-decision-was-inspired-...

Pfhreak 6y ago

I think that maybe I'm too much of a leftist to think that Biden will accomplish any meaningful change. Plenty of exploratory committees, investigations, and deep dives. But fundamentally, I don't expect him to do much beyond maintain the status quo that centrist dems like Obama and Clinton have been pushing for decades. He'll put out a few executive orders and maybe get us back into a climate accord, but he's still deeply a capitalist and fossil fuel backing candidate at heart.