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Business purposes include: "Short-term, transient use, including, but not limited to, the contextual customization of ads shown as part of the same interaction

Business purposes include: "Short-term, transient use, including, but not limited to, the contextual customization of ads shown as part of the same interaction" So, they don't go to Data Brokers Inc and say "I'll sell you an estimate of gnicholas's IQ for $xxx", but they will go to Scams Inc and say "Hey, wanna target ads to people we think are stupid?"

londons_explore 6y ago
All companies with a brand name to protect do the latter but not the former. It's why "selling your data" is such a deceptive phrase, since most people assume this means your private data is put on a USB stick and given to bad guys...
- hyperpape 6y ago
  You’re right about the literal “your data isn’t for sale” claim. Still, I have a fun fact: at one point in time, Facebook would let you target an ad to “all men who have any of this list of N emails”, and then accept your list of N emails be N-1 women’s emails, and one man’s emails. Result: direct targeting of a single individual. Or, in this case: direct querying of a single individual’s attributes. I imagine tinder might have closed this hole as well, or maybe it never gave advertisers those exact tools. But these advertising tools can leak a lot of data, and the vendor’s incentive is to leak that data while swearing up and down that it’s safe.
dwighttk 6y ago
“...but not limited to...”
- bonzini 6y ago
  "Short term, transient" is the key part.
  - gnicholas 6y ago
    This is in addition to all of the business purposes listed in their general Privacy Policy, so "Short term, transient" is not a limitation on all business purposes — just the additional ones listed here (in the CA addendum). As I mention in another comment, the general Privacy Policy includes some very broad language that appears to include selling data to third parties.
blackrock 6y ago
Fascinating business idea. Albeit highly immoral. Stupid people are easier to manipulate, especially if you continue to commercially bombard them with information coming from all different sources. And if you control all the channels that they see, then they have no alternate reality. Heck, this applies to seemingly smart people also, if they don’t reach out to different sources for a balanced view of information. This is now becoming very true with ad networks like Google’s ad monopoly. Regardless of what website you visit, the ads all come from the same source. So now, one use case for this is political manipulation. You can start to target people of a certain IQ range, to get them to think the same way, which can then ultimately coerce them to vote a specific way. So now, you have a direct pathway, from planting a seed of an idea, to political manipulation, to actual physical reality. This is now starting to sound like the premise of The Outer Limits. But hey, morality never stopped aspiring entrepreneurs from making a billion dollars.
gnicholas 6y ago
Yes, but they also incorporate by reference all of the business purposes described in their general Privacy Policy (this page is the California addendum). In the general Privacy Policy, [1] business purposes includes: > Develop, display and track content and advertising tailored to your interests on our services and other sites The "and other sites" seems like it would include selling user data to third parties, at least by my reading (IAAL). 1: https://policies.tinder.com/privacy/intl/en https://policies.tinder.com/privacy/intl/en

londons_explore 6y ago

All companies with a brand name to protect do the latter but not the former. It's why "selling your data" is such a deceptive phrase, since most people assume this means your private data is put on a USB stick and given to bad guys...

hyperpape 6y ago
You’re right about the literal “your data isn’t for sale” claim. Still, I have a fun fact: at one point in time, Facebook would let you target an ad to “all men who have any of this list of N emails”, and then accept your list of N emails be N-1 women’s emails, and one man’s emails. Result: direct targeting of a single individual. Or, in this case: direct querying of a single individual’s attributes. I imagine tinder might have closed this hole as well, or maybe it never gave advertisers those exact tools. But these advertising tools can leak a lot of data, and the vendor’s incentive is to leak that data while swearing up and down that it’s safe.

dwighttk 6y ago

“...but not limited to...”

bonzini 6y ago
"Short term, transient" is the key part.
- gnicholas 6y ago
  This is in addition to all of the business purposes listed in their general Privacy Policy, so "Short term, transient" is not a limitation on all business purposes — just the additional ones listed here (in the CA addendum). As I mention in another comment, the general Privacy Policy includes some very broad language that appears to include selling data to third parties.

blackrock 6y ago

Fascinating business idea. Albeit highly immoral. Stupid people are easier to manipulate, especially if you continue to commercially bombard them with information coming from all different sources. And if you control all the channels that they see, then they have no alternate reality. Heck, this applies to seemingly smart people also, if they don’t reach out to different sources for a balanced view of information. This is now becoming very true with ad networks like Google’s ad monopoly. Regardless of what website you visit, the ads all come from the same source. So now, one use case for this is political manipulation. You can start to target people of a certain IQ range, to get them to think the same way, which can then ultimately coerce them to vote a specific way. So now, you have a direct pathway, from planting a seed of an idea, to political manipulation, to actual physical reality. This is now starting to sound like the premise of The Outer Limits. But hey, morality never stopped aspiring entrepreneurs from making a billion dollars.

gnicholas 6y ago

Yes, but they also incorporate by reference all of the business purposes described in their general Privacy Policy (this page is the California addendum). In the general Privacy Policy, [1] business purposes includes: > Develop, display and track content and advertising tailored to your interests on our services and other sites The "and other sites" seems like it would include selling user data to third parties, at least by my reading (IAAL). 1: https://policies.tinder.com/privacy/intl/en https://policies.tinder.com/privacy/intl/en