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>The 14 members are Australia, Canada, Chile, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kenya, Mexico, Namibia, Norway, Portugal, and the island nations of Fiji, Jamaica, and Pa

>The 14 members are Australia, Canada, Chile, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kenya, Mexico, Namibia, Norway, Portugal, and the island nations of Fiji, Jamaica, and Palau.

ClosedPistachio 6y ago
Also from TFA: > Combined, they represent 40 percent of the world’s coastlines, 30 percent of the offshore exclusive economic zones, 20 percent of the world’s fisheries, and 20 percent of the world’s shipping fleet.
- hobofan 6y ago
  > 40 percent of the world’s coastlines At what resolution? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    Presumably it’s 40% at any resolution. Specifically I would think any two coastlines would increase proportionately for a fixed increase in resolution.
    - riffraff 6y ago
      I doubt this matters, but it seems different kind of coastlines would have different length at different resolution. i.e. the presence of fjords compared to long sandy beaches would produce diverging measures. Or, if rivers have large deltas or estuaries you could get very different measures.
      - hobofan 6y ago
        Yup, see this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of... In the list of the article here, Norway in particular tipped me off, as it's incredibly jagged coastline can be lead to great resolution-dependent differences.
        eslaught 6y ago
        Ok, but real-world coastlines are not true fractals. I assume that the numbers do converge as resolution increases.
        Taniwha 6y ago
        that's because of all the crinkly bits
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RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
Does this mean that Japan will now stop their “research” whale hunts? If it doesn’t, I am worried about how much this commitment is real.
- jbay808 6y ago
  Some Japanese people I speak with who work in the marine industry believe that whales are a major threat to fish stocks and are gobbling up all the fish so that not enough is left for humans. I don't believe that's true and make an effort to persuade them otherwise. But at the very least I'm sure that many Japanese people (based on what they have been taught) earnestly do not see an incongruity between whaling and a desire to protect the oceans.
- valarauko 6y ago
  Japan has resumed commercial whaling since July 2019 https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/asia/japan-first-whale-catch-31-years-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/asia/japan-first-whale-catch-...
- qart 6y ago
  Why single out Japan? Canada, Greenland, Faroe Islands, and Norway all exceed it. Canada and Norway are signatories of this new commitment. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Whaling_catches_by_location https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Whaling_catches_by_loc...
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  - throw0101a 6y ago
    The only people who do whaling in Canada are the First Nations, and they do it in Canada's territorial waters: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Canada * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_whaling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_whaling They generally eat it, make art, and perhaps use parts for traditional clothing. Japan on the other hand (a) has no Indigenous peoples following their traditional ways, (b) often violates the waters of other countries, and (c) has no basis for scientific inquiry (as ruled by the ICJ): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan You don't see Intuit fisherman in the Southern Ocean off the coast Antarctic, but you do see Japanese fishing boats.
pstuart 6y ago
I imagine the US will come on board some time after January 20.

>The 14 members are Australia, Canada, Chile, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kenya, Mexico, Namibia, Norway, Portugal, and the island nations of Fiji, Jamaica, and Palau.

ClosedPistachio 6y ago

Also from TFA: > Combined, they represent 40 percent of the world’s coastlines, 30 percent of the offshore exclusive economic zones, 20 percent of the world’s fisheries, and 20 percent of the world’s shipping fleet.

hobofan 6y ago
> 40 percent of the world’s coastlines At what resolution? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Presumably it’s 40% at any resolution. Specifically I would think any two coastlines would increase proportionately for a fixed increase in resolution.
  - riffraff 6y ago
    I doubt this matters, but it seems different kind of coastlines would have different length at different resolution. i.e. the presence of fjords compared to long sandy beaches would produce diverging measures. Or, if rivers have large deltas or estuaries you could get very different measures.
    - hobofan 6y ago
      Yup, see this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of... In the list of the article here, Norway in particular tipped me off, as it's incredibly jagged coastline can be lead to great resolution-dependent differences.
      - eslaught 6y ago
        Ok, but real-world coastlines are not true fractals. I assume that the numbers do converge as resolution increases.
      - Taniwha 6y ago
        that's because of all the crinkly bits
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RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

Does this mean that Japan will now stop their “research” whale hunts? If it doesn’t, I am worried about how much this commitment is real.

jbay808 6y ago
Some Japanese people I speak with who work in the marine industry believe that whales are a major threat to fish stocks and are gobbling up all the fish so that not enough is left for humans. I don't believe that's true and make an effort to persuade them otherwise. But at the very least I'm sure that many Japanese people (based on what they have been taught) earnestly do not see an incongruity between whaling and a desire to protect the oceans.
valarauko 6y ago
Japan has resumed commercial whaling since July 2019 https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/asia/japan-first-whale-catch-31-years-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/asia/japan-first-whale-catch-...
qart 6y ago
Why single out Japan? Canada, Greenland, Faroe Islands, and Norway all exceed it. Canada and Norway are signatories of this new commitment. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Whaling_catches_by_location https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling#Whaling_catches_by_loc...
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- throw0101a 6y ago
  The only people who do whaling in Canada are the First Nations, and they do it in Canada's territorial waters: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Canada * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_whaling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_whaling They generally eat it, make art, and perhaps use parts for traditional clothing. Japan on the other hand (a) has no Indigenous peoples following their traditional ways, (b) often violates the waters of other countries, and (c) has no basis for scientific inquiry (as ruled by the ICJ): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan You don't see Intuit fisherman in the Southern Ocean off the coast Antarctic, but you do see Japanese fishing boats.

pstuart 6y ago

I imagine the US will come on board some time after January 20.