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"In the medium/long term, it’s simply not going to be efficient for the combined Element/Gitter team to split our efforts maintaining two high-profile Matrix cl

by haolez 6y ago

"In the medium/long term, it’s simply not going to be efficient for the combined Element/Gitter team to split our efforts maintaining two high-profile Matrix clients. Our plan is instead to merge Gitter’s features into Element (or next generations of Element) itself and then - if and only if Element has achieved parity with Gitter - we expect to upgrade the deployment on gitter.im to a Gitter-customised version of Element. The inevitable side-effect is that we’ll be adding new features to Element rather than Gitter going forwards." It seems that Gitter will be shelved after a while.

toyg 6y ago
As long as the actual system still does what Gitter does (i.e. provide a quick way to have project-related chatrooms), I don’t think anyone will care what it’s powered by.
Arathorn 6y ago
To be 100% clear: we are not going to shelve the Gitter codebase until Element (or other Matrix clients) have total parity with it. And once we do, we'll replace the current Gitter codebase with a Gitter-branded version of Element, and make sure it's configured so all the Gittery stuff works as you'd expect... while also benefiting from all the work we're pouring into Matrix and Element. So, I'd see it more like Gitter sprouting E2EE, VoIP, widgets, reactions, video conferencing, open standard API, etc, rather than "gitter being shelved" :D
- dralley 6y ago
  Please consider more than just features when making this decision. Gitter has a very different user experience from Element at the moment. Gitter's default layout is clean, information-dense and distraction-free. There is no "x has left/joined the room" spam, very little unnecessary whitespace, a bare minimum of icons (no "seen by", no miniature avatars in quotes and @callouts), and a more subdued color palette (emphasis is provided primarily by bold font rather than by different colors). That's not to say that Element is bad, because it isn't. But for focused technical discussions, Gitter is much better in my opinion. I've tried the "modern" compact and IRC layouts, but unfortunately they don't really solve these problems. Mostly they are the same amount of distraction packed into a more condensed form.
  - Arathorn 6y ago
    Absolutely. the decision will be made on UX as well as features. agreed Gitter’s UX is great :)

by haolez 6y ago

toyg 6y ago

As long as the actual system still does what Gitter does (i.e. provide a quick way to have project-related chatrooms), I don’t think anyone will care what it’s powered by.

Arathorn 6y ago

To be 100% clear: we are not going to shelve the Gitter codebase until Element (or other Matrix clients) have total parity with it. And once we do, we'll replace the current Gitter codebase with a Gitter-branded version of Element, and make sure it's configured so all the Gittery stuff works as you'd expect... while also benefiting from all the work we're pouring into Matrix and Element. So, I'd see it more like Gitter sprouting E2EE, VoIP, widgets, reactions, video conferencing, open standard API, etc, rather than "gitter being shelved" :D

dralley 6y ago
Please consider more than just features when making this decision. Gitter has a very different user experience from Element at the moment. Gitter's default layout is clean, information-dense and distraction-free. There is no "x has left/joined the room" spam, very little unnecessary whitespace, a bare minimum of icons (no "seen by", no miniature avatars in quotes and @callouts), and a more subdued color palette (emphasis is provided primarily by bold font rather than by different colors). That's not to say that Element is bad, because it isn't. But for focused technical discussions, Gitter is much better in my opinion. I've tried the "modern" compact and IRC layouts, but unfortunately they don't really solve these problems. Mostly they are the same amount of distraction packed into a more condensed form.
- Arathorn 6y ago
  Absolutely. the decision will be made on UX as well as features. agreed Gitter’s UX is great :)