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Lol right? The system they're trying to convey is such a logistical and dev nightmare. Plus, it's also funny how the media likes to portray US and Israel intel

Lol right? The system they're trying to convey is such a logistical and dev nightmare. Plus, it's also funny how the media likes to portray US and Israel intel agencies are either completely incompetent or omnipotent when it suits their own personal narrative. Pick one and stick with it. Here's the logical setup that's been tried and true for anyone that's ever read a military history book on clandestine ops. It's far easier and cheaper just to have 3 guys in an SUV armed with mp5s. One driver, one shooter and one look out. A second or third vehicle as overwatch/backup as well within eyeshot. Wait/follow and shoot, drive away. Essentially the Iranians are embarrassed as hell because have zero clues to how it happened and who did it. So they're fabricating a scifi story to try saving some face. They were far better off just saying, "well, we fucked up protecting this guy." But the general public needs to stop believing James Bond and Jason Borne are historical figures and read some actual history books. Both the media and public are becoming a pathetic host/parasite entity of just spouting bullshit.

secfirstmd 6y ago
MP5s? Probably would want something a bit more punchy seeing as the target vehicle was supposed to be armored.
- NoOneNew 6y ago
  Fair, but ap 9mms aren't that bad. Also, I'm just laying down a template, I dont claim to have any insider info. We can even argue if their sidearms were Jerichos or P320s. I'm not too concerned on weapon specifics. It does look pretty clean shooting wise from that pic. Now that I think about it, I'd actually argue it would have been semi rifle fire instead of full auto. They're claiming full auto, but I just dont see it from the front. Dont know if there are other images that prove me wrong... but theres also a funny joke here that they might have used mp5s instead of mp7s since Israel is being blamed...
- moftz 6y ago
  An armored Nissan Maxima?
  - NoOneNew 6y ago
    Theres a very large 3rd party armored car industry. Low key cars are very common. I dont know if this was or not, that image looks like it wasn't or was real cheap.
    - dogma1138 6y ago
      It wasn’t armored you can easily tell by the glass.
chokeartist 6y ago
> The system they're trying to convey is such a logistical and dev nightmare. The system referenced is available off the shelf to governments today. Also to your comment about the 3 man team: Yeah that is applicable, if you are in an area where you can easily melt into the background. Iran is a little different domestic security wise than say some Western European city.
originalvichy 6y ago
You are underestimating how hard it probably is for spies to enter into Iran, exit safely, and not get captured or killed in between. A satellite-internet connected stationary gun aimed at an intersection they know this guy drives through often is a magnificent tool for agent safety. These intel agencies aren’t idiots. If they knew a hit and run would be safe and easy they woulda done it. They’d probably prefer having operatives safe and alive instead of tortured and dead so they can continue operations.
- ac29 6y ago
  They can't get in spies, but they can bring in a super high tech weapons platform and the manpower to install it in a public location without getting noticed?
  - originalvichy 6y ago
    I didn’t say they couldn’t get them in. Escaping a hit and run with this hypothetical three man team is probably harder and more dangerous for the operatives than smuggling in a remote controlled gun. Last time I remember they assassinated a HVT with magnetic bombs on the side of a the target’s car. This led to iranians allied to Mossad getting killed. They obviously can’t risk or possibly can’t find people to risk their life so doing it remotely is the safest bet. And we have no idea how high tech this is. For all we know it’s a standard high caliber rifle attached to a pretty standard mount, with a live feed scope and a trigger puller. A team of engineering freshmen could develop this kind of system given the equipment. If Israel or the US are behind this they have probably had this tech for over a decade.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  They’ve done just that over and over just two weeks prior to this they’ve killed al-Masri in Teheran by shooting up his car. You still need just as many operatives in country for this fantasy, but you also need to be able to smuggle high end equipment and set it up and test it, this are additional complications that increase the risk of failure and capture nor reduce it.

secfirstmd 6y ago

MP5s? Probably would want something a bit more punchy seeing as the target vehicle was supposed to be armored.

NoOneNew 6y ago
Fair, but ap 9mms aren't that bad. Also, I'm just laying down a template, I dont claim to have any insider info. We can even argue if their sidearms were Jerichos or P320s. I'm not too concerned on weapon specifics. It does look pretty clean shooting wise from that pic. Now that I think about it, I'd actually argue it would have been semi rifle fire instead of full auto. They're claiming full auto, but I just dont see it from the front. Dont know if there are other images that prove me wrong... but theres also a funny joke here that they might have used mp5s instead of mp7s since Israel is being blamed...
moftz 6y ago
An armored Nissan Maxima?
- NoOneNew 6y ago
  Theres a very large 3rd party armored car industry. Low key cars are very common. I dont know if this was or not, that image looks like it wasn't or was real cheap.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    It wasn’t armored you can easily tell by the glass.

chokeartist 6y ago

> The system they're trying to convey is such a logistical and dev nightmare. The system referenced is available off the shelf to governments today. Also to your comment about the 3 man team: Yeah that is applicable, if you are in an area where you can easily melt into the background. Iran is a little different domestic security wise than say some Western European city.

originalvichy 6y ago

You are underestimating how hard it probably is for spies to enter into Iran, exit safely, and not get captured or killed in between. A satellite-internet connected stationary gun aimed at an intersection they know this guy drives through often is a magnificent tool for agent safety. These intel agencies aren’t idiots. If they knew a hit and run would be safe and easy they woulda done it. They’d probably prefer having operatives safe and alive instead of tortured and dead so they can continue operations.

ac29 6y ago
They can't get in spies, but they can bring in a super high tech weapons platform and the manpower to install it in a public location without getting noticed?
- originalvichy 6y ago
  I didn’t say they couldn’t get them in. Escaping a hit and run with this hypothetical three man team is probably harder and more dangerous for the operatives than smuggling in a remote controlled gun. Last time I remember they assassinated a HVT with magnetic bombs on the side of a the target’s car. This led to iranians allied to Mossad getting killed. They obviously can’t risk or possibly can’t find people to risk their life so doing it remotely is the safest bet. And we have no idea how high tech this is. For all we know it’s a standard high caliber rifle attached to a pretty standard mount, with a live feed scope and a trigger puller. A team of engineering freshmen could develop this kind of system given the equipment. If Israel or the US are behind this they have probably had this tech for over a decade.
dogma1138 6y ago
They’ve done just that over and over just two weeks prior to this they’ve killed al-Masri in Teheran by shooting up his car. You still need just as many operatives in country for this fantasy, but you also need to be able to smuggle high end equipment and set it up and test it, this are additional complications that increase the risk of failure and capture nor reduce it.