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Always have to ask, where are you moving and why did you pick it?
by kilbuz 6y ago
Always have to ask, where are you moving and why did you pick it?
- scottlocklin 6y agoI always answer: fuck off; we're full. California, particularly Bay Area California is so ridiculously dysfunctional, the last thing any region needs is their refugees, who will bring with them the problems they're fleeing. Austin for example. Used to be a great place.
- camjohnson26 6y agoThat’s a ridiculous take. There’s a lot of technical talent trapped in the Bay Area and I welcome it in my region. Treating every resident as if they agree with the repressive SF politics is over generalizing. And who’s full? The main thing the flyover states need is more people.
- nitrogen 6y agoAn influx of coastal refugees has driven real estate up and out of reach of many locals where I'm from. Those are the types of places that are "full", even with loads of building.
- camjohnson26 6y agoYou can buy a home cheap in Detroit, that’s not a good thing. Wouldn’t rising home values signal economic growth? As long as there’s room to expand I don’t see the problem. SF’s issue isn’t high prices, it’s archaic zoning laws that limit supply to keep prices high for home owners.
- ummonk 6y agoI think there are two issues here. First, housing is somewhat inelastic in that it takes multiple years to respond to a rise in demand and plan out and build new housing even with a reasonably fast permitting / approval process. Second, due to labor and materials costs, the price of housing in many areas is far below the cost to build new housing so housing prices will necessarily go up even with maximum build rates. This can create affordability difficulties for the lower rungs of income.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago>Second, due to labor and materials costs, the price of housing in many areas is far below the cost to build new housing so housing prices will necessarily go up even with maximum build rates. Specifically, the cost of land is what causes the cost to build to be so high. Owning unproductive land is cheap, and incentivizes simply holding onto it until it appreciates sufficiently.
- nitrogen 6y agoThe cost of timber has also tripled this year, at least in some areas.
- ummonk 6y agoWell the cost of land worsens housing prices, but even assuming the land is of negligible value the cost of construction itself will make new houses quite pricey compared to older homes in non-bubbly markets.
- mywittyname 6y agoEconomic growth that isn't evenly distributed is not good. If you're a poor person, you'd (probably) rather have a cheap home in a poor city surrounded by other poor people, than be the poor person stuck in a gentrifying neighborhood which is getting increasingly hostile to your presence.
- scottlocklin 6y agoThat's a very rational take: all you need do is step in a puddle of human feces in Austin to understand why. Wasn't there even 5 years ago, until the Californians brought their unique brand of urban development there. The flyover states may need more people: nobody needs Bay Area people bringing their "enlightened" ways with them. Tech literate, rich or not. You guys made your paradise - live in it.
- apta 6y agoDon't forget that they bring their voting policies with them (e.g. voting for more taxes).
- camjohnson26 6y agoAs if every Californian is the same politically.
- apta 6y agoIn aggregate, they seem to be. Most vote for dems who want to increase taxes. In a country with a two party system, it's basically the same as bringing their entire policies with them.
- Apocryphon 6y agoConservative-voting transplants in Texas helped Ted Cruz beat Beto: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/11/09/native-texans-voted-for-native-texan-beto-o-rourke-transplants-went-for-ted-cruz-exit-poll-shows/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/11/09/native-t...
- tlear 6y agoWell they defeated prop 16, which every dem and their grandma campaigned and donated for. Maybe there is hope? Not likely but who knows
- twalla 6y agoI don't think most people leaving the bay area are headed to some remote cabin in Montana or some sleepy town in the midwest - they're just moving to cheaper (comparatively) cities. Anyone pulling up roots with a bay area salary or a home in CA is going to have a huge cash advantage against anyone in the local market just about wherever they move. On a personal note, it's been tons of fun competing with the multiple bids, sight unseen, over asking on 600-700k+ century old homes in need of another 100k worth of rehab.
- lwhalen 6y agoI am heading to a remote cabin (well, farm actually) in Montana. Just waiting for Starlink to go GA. I'm currently in the Seattle area though.
- fossuser 6y agoThe irony is it's the 'fuck off we're full' people that have made CA policy shitty. It's the NIMBY anti-change response to policy. The people that want a strong economy, incentivize building housing, and adapting lead to positive non-zero-sum outcomes. The people that say "fuck off we're full" block any policy and create perverse incentives that create a dysfunctional mess. This is ignoring the selection bias that the people leaving now are probably also the people not interested in CA anti-housing, high-tax policy and would likely be a better fit on these policy issues in Austin than the commenter thinks. Largely I think comments like the one you replied to are just responding to what they see as the enemy tribe in the political culture war.
- scottlocklin 6y ago>Largely I think comments.... Largely I think you're projecting. The reason California is such absolute shit to live in: people who live in California vote for the policies it has. You can't blame anyone else. I left to get away from you people, and would dearly like for you all to stay in the beautiful little paradise you have created. Bringing California problems, whether it be zoning laws, riots, real estate prices, unbreathable air due to foolish politically driven forestry management, water shortages, tent cities, traffic jams, electrical blackouts, people shitting in the streets or whatever charming advancements you may come up with next to Austin, Montana, Kuala Lumpur or Des Moines: you people should be treated as the pariahs you are.
- camjohnson26 6y agoI think you just proved their point.
- fossuser 6y agoNot only that, but he himself left California for Austin. He's in the set of people he's complaining about. [Edit: Apparently not Austin, but some other place - point still stands]
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- chokeartist 6y ago> And who’s full? The main thing the flyover states need is more people. According to whom? People like you who have unsustainable views about growth and the economy? Hard pass. Stay in your cesspool please. We don't need you. We don't want you.
- jeffreyrogers 6y agoThere does seem to be a strong correlation between large influx of former California residents and increasing social problems.
- burnthrow 6y agoI think there's simply been an increase in social problems across the US, particularly homelessness and vagrancy. It's hard to pin that on California.
- d1zzy 6y agoIs this effect stronger with California residents relocating in particular or it will happen with any other residents relocating from different educational/social/political/economic background?
- artvark11 6y agoGod no, please don't move to rural areas. They don't need more people.
- burnthrow 6y agoThey actually do need more people, there's quite a drain of young people in these communities which leads to closed farms and hollowed out Main Streets. But transient npm ninjas aren't quite the ticket.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoYou're crazy if you don't understand why a large portion of the population doesn't look at the bay area and say "the last people I want are the people who created that situation". I think it's a lot more nuanced than that but the sentiment is at the very least understandable.
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- JMTQp8lwXL 6y agoUnless you are Native American, you or one of your ancestors immigrated to the SFBA. So to say outsiders aren't welcome, when one is or descended from an outsider, is a little bit rich in irony.
- mixmastamyk 6y agoWho do you think moved out to CA in the first place?
- nunez 6y agoAustin isn’t full at all lol
- elevenoh 6y agoAustin is good during quarantine. But not for safe, social, walkability.
- JohnCohorn 6y agoIt depends on what you’re walking to and for. I walk several miles a day in Austin’s parks and green belt areas. I’m thankful for where I live during COVID.
- seppin 6y ago> I always answer: fuck off; we're full. Actually being from SF, I have never once given any transplant any shit (mostly because at any given party I am the only local). It would never occur to me to be nativist in my own country, how does this shit fly elsewhere?
- bigyikes 6y agoAustin. Back to where I came from. In my estimation, it has the most coolness-per-dollar. What I actually want is to buy a house, and I just can’t do that around here. Austin is comparatively cheaper and has a culture that appeals to me. It feels a lot like California, but without much of the baggage. Parts of Colorado, Oregon, and Washington are also strong contenders, but I am predisposed to like Texas.