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>You're lecturing me on the "liberal paradigm in law" which was somehow invented in the 1960s rather back in the 1700s when the rest of the liberal paradigm was

>You're lecturing me on the "liberal paradigm in law" which was somehow invented in the 1960s rather back in the 1700s when the rest of the liberal paradigm was invented by, you know, the philosophers who invented classical liberalism. The liberal paradigm in law has only relatively recently gained support despite being "invented" long ago - whether we're talking about debate over obscenity laws, gay sex, alcohol, or, indeed, gambling. This is especially true in non-US countries which are not founded on explicitly liberal principles. The 60s saw the L. A. Hart and Patrick Lord Devlin debate on the limits of morality's place in law. >And great reddit tier red herring about "defining porn." Not a red herring at all. I frankly do not trust legislators to possess an accurate or up-to-date understanding of what the relvant literature shows, with what confidence, or explanatory power. I also do not trust the blunt force of the law to limit its scope. The Danes probably made erotic fanfiction legal too. Imagine you're a fanfiction writer, and your craft is illegalized and you're thrown in prison despite the fact that your government could not produce any evidence that your craft causes the harm attributed to other porn. That would be an injustice, and just like the prohibition of alcohol on similar grounds, I can't support it unless we're clear ahead of time what this means for freedom of expression.

scottlocklin 6y ago
> Imagine you're a fanfiction writer.... No, I can't imagine I'm a fanfiction writer because it's a pathetic and awful hobby, and I honest to god don't care about their alleged right to make grubby Mr Spock porn, thus condemning (by your tortuous logic) generations to be subjected to disgusting, degrading and addictive pornography. Imagine being a dope fiend .... yep; still not imagining it. Imagine being a <insert another degenerate and completely non sympathetic category of person> -no thank you! Community decency laws used to work just fine, and I do not see their eradication as an improvement in the over all state of the human race. Just like anti-gambling laws; and gambling is at least not pumped into every household. Every society has a right to chose the levels of degeneracy allowed: necrophilia, prostitution, drug use and bestiality are all victimless crimes as well which should be allowed via your imbecile version of "liberal paradigms." Looking forward to your spirited defence of philip morris brand heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Denmark doesn't get to claim "muh cummies" as a great cultural achievement. Not any more than their whorehouses or gambling parlours. Personally I don't think their posturing on environmental virtues will amount to much of a positive nature either.
- krebs_liebhaber 6y ago
  > Looking forward to your spirited defence of philip morris brand heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Yikes dude, just yikes. I can't believe that horrible bigots like you still think they have the right to get between a man and his cadavers. https://bigthink.com/think-tank/is-necrophilia-wrong https://bigthink.com/think-tank/is-necrophilia-wrong
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  >No, I can't imagine I'm a fanfiction writer because it's a pathetic and awful hobby >Community decency laws used to work just fine, and I do not see their eradication as an improvement in the over all state of the human race I don't care for a discussion in which we have different standpoints on the principle by which laws should be created, and being a 'degenerate' is sufficient to feel the force of the law. Community decency laws do not work fine for me, nor for many creative people. Be thankful your hobbies aren't judged pathetic and awful. Maybe someone does judge them as such, which would be a good thing(?). >necrophilia, prostitution, drug use and bestiality are all victimless crimes Perhaps prostitution and certainly bestiality are crimes with victims. >Looking forward to your spirited defence of heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Am I being trolled?
  - scottlocklin 6y ago
    If you don't want to watch Philip Morris brand heroin addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts, you can turn your TV off. Your argument seems to be "well someone might have hobbies" -I'm sure that's someone's hobby. Defend it; or begin to think of why maybe your allegedly "liberal" views are not such a good idea. Meanwhile, the Danes have done nothing obviously good by legalizing filth. Mind you, at the rate we're going my proposed entertainment will be on Danish TV soon. And they'll brag it was broadcast using green energy.

scottlocklin 6y ago

> Imagine you're a fanfiction writer.... No, I can't imagine I'm a fanfiction writer because it's a pathetic and awful hobby, and I honest to god don't care about their alleged right to make grubby Mr Spock porn, thus condemning (by your tortuous logic) generations to be subjected to disgusting, degrading and addictive pornography. Imagine being a dope fiend .... yep; still not imagining it. Imagine being a <insert another degenerate and completely non sympathetic category of person> -no thank you! Community decency laws used to work just fine, and I do not see their eradication as an improvement in the over all state of the human race. Just like anti-gambling laws; and gambling is at least not pumped into every household. Every society has a right to chose the levels of degeneracy allowed: necrophilia, prostitution, drug use and bestiality are all victimless crimes as well which should be allowed via your imbecile version of "liberal paradigms." Looking forward to your spirited defence of philip morris brand heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Denmark doesn't get to claim "muh cummies" as a great cultural achievement. Not any more than their whorehouses or gambling parlours. Personally I don't think their posturing on environmental virtues will amount to much of a positive nature either.

krebs_liebhaber 6y ago
> Looking forward to your spirited defence of philip morris brand heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Yikes dude, just yikes. I can't believe that horrible bigots like you still think they have the right to get between a man and his cadavers. https://bigthink.com/think-tank/is-necrophilia-wrong https://bigthink.com/think-tank/is-necrophilia-wrong
claudiawerner 6y ago
>No, I can't imagine I'm a fanfiction writer because it's a pathetic and awful hobby >Community decency laws used to work just fine, and I do not see their eradication as an improvement in the over all state of the human race I don't care for a discussion in which we have different standpoints on the principle by which laws should be created, and being a 'degenerate' is sufficient to feel the force of the law. Community decency laws do not work fine for me, nor for many creative people. Be thankful your hobbies aren't judged pathetic and awful. Maybe someone does judge them as such, which would be a good thing(?). >necrophilia, prostitution, drug use and bestiality are all victimless crimes Perhaps prostitution and certainly bestiality are crimes with victims. >Looking forward to your spirited defence of heroin-addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts for family viewing on early evening television. Am I being trolled?
- scottlocklin 6y ago
  If you don't want to watch Philip Morris brand heroin addicted prostitutes being voluntarily violated and eaten alive by wild beasts, you can turn your TV off. Your argument seems to be "well someone might have hobbies" -I'm sure that's someone's hobby. Defend it; or begin to think of why maybe your allegedly "liberal" views are not such a good idea. Meanwhile, the Danes have done nothing obviously good by legalizing filth. Mind you, at the rate we're going my proposed entertainment will be on Danish TV soon. And they'll brag it was broadcast using green energy.